25nl: is this potential spew

[Keith]

You mean pre or on the flop?

To me, the flop raise was bad because as a bluff (which is surely all it should have been for since nothing calls that we beat) we should be bluffraising where we at least have a good chance to improve on later streets.

who said i wanted worse to call? I felt that i was ahead but there a shitload of yuck cards that can come on turn and river. Any card >T is gonna hit his 3bet range and diamonds are gonna hit some parts of his 3bet range.having raised and folded to 3 of his previous 3bets in the previous orbits , it looks like i'm trapping him with a strong hand, in fact does it pretty much turn my hand face up in that JJ+, AQ+ i'm probably 4betting pre pretty much only leaving 99-TT and some suited Axd calling pre and raising this flop. To a certain extent its a bluff , but mainly to realize my current equity and i didn't fancy calling down and seeing an overcard come.

To be honest , i hadn't considered that he may spazz shove overcards and had assumed that he'd only be shoving over with overpairs.

[EasyPoker]

who said i wanted worse to call? I felt that i was ahead but there a shitload of yuck cards that can come on turn and river. Any card >T is gonna hit his 3bet range and diamonds are gonna hit some parts of his 3bet range.having raised and folded to 3 of his previous 3bets in the previous orbits , it looks like i'm trapping him with a strong hand, in fact does it pretty much turn my hand face up in that JJ+, AQ+ i'm probably 4betting pre pretty much only leaving 99-TT and some suited Axd calling pre and raising this flop. To a certain extent its a bluff , but mainly to realize my current equity and i didn't fancy calling down and seeing an overcard come.

To be honest , i hadn't considered that he may spazz shove overcards and had assumed that he'd only be shoving over with overpairs.

Equity now doesn't mean equity later. It's a huge mistake to view equity on the flop as justification to spew.

1) You don't want to be playing big pots with ONE pair (and an average pair) vs this villain. Irrespective of him 3betting you 3 times. He could just be running good tbh.
2) Bluffraising this flop vs that villain in a 3bet pot will never show positive expectation.

[d0zer]

To be honest , i hadn't considered that he may spazz shove overcards and had assumed that he'd only be shoving over with overpairs.

That makes this flop play pretty bad then because you're intentionally narrowing his range to stuff that beats you just because you're scared of seeing a turn.

[griffey24]

To be honest , i hadn't considered that he may spazz shove overcards and had assumed that he'd only be shoving over with overpairs.

I mean... this is the ONLY reason I'm raising the flop. If he's not going to spazz overcards, and is only shoving better than us, then you are turning your hand into a bluff.

Just to clarify, are you raise folding?

[Keith]

I mean... this is the ONLY reason I'm raising the flop. If he's not going to spazz overcards, and is only shoving better than us, then you are turning your hand into a bluff.

Just to clarify, are you raise folding?

yeah, when i played it , i assumed only better was shoving over so would have folded. As it turned out he folded to my raise. Although he folded , I wasn't sure about my play at all hence the original question. I think some of the resulting discussion has been some of the best strategy discussion I've read in the bc for some time, so thanks for the comments.Sorry for not responding earlier but been on a tractor all day with no net access.

Given the comments , i think it was spewy for the reasons I gave and think Ong was probably right in moving table.