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6-handed incorrect HJ Shove?

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  1. #1

    Default 6-handed incorrect HJ Shove?

    Hi, I was reviewing my HH in Wiz, and I came across this spot. I can't figure out why it wants me shoving so tight. I put villains @ 15% and it says I can only shove 77+ AT+. Normally with 6BB in HJ i am shoving 22+ A7+ A2s+ KT+ K8s+ QT+ Q9s+ JT JTs. In this case I would shove wider because of the BB being automatically all-in. I would understand if there were two significantly shorter stacks here, but there is only one.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 25 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB (t4795)
    BB (t315)
    UTG (t3195)
    Hero (MP) (t2485)
    CO (t2730)
    Button (t1480)

    Hero's M: 3.31

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 9
    1 fold, Hero bets t2460 (All-In), CO raises to t2705 (All-In), 2 folds

    Flop: (t5560) 6, Q, 2 (3 players, 3 all-in)

    Turn: (t5560) 4 (3 players, 3 all-in)

    River: (t5560) 5 (3 players, 3 all-in)

    Total pot: t5560
  2. #2
    I ran it through Wiz and verified your results. You'd be surprised how tight you have to shove when you are UTG or UTG+1 on a 5- or 6-handed table.

    Also, don't forget the Wiz takes into account the chance that somebody else will shove and bust out if you fold, which adds a little the equity that you have if you fold. If you scroll down below the table graphic in Wiz you'll see the calculations.
  3. #3
    yes i've been noticing that; especially in the bubble. The UTG range is surprisingly tight and I still think of UTG 6-handed as right next to HJ or UTG+1 being HJ. I think along similar lines 5-handed and 4-handed. Should I be thinking of these positions as early position or as middle/late position? I think this might be a huge flaw in my thinking process.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortitude
    yes i've been noticing that; especially in the bubble. The UTG range is surprisingly tight and I still think of UTG 6-handed as right next to HJ or UTG+1 being HJ. I think along similar lines 5-handed and 4-handed. Should I be thinking of these positions as early position or as middle/late position? I think this might be a huge flaw in my thinking process.
    Anything earlier than the button is early position on a 5-handed table. On a 6-handed table maybe you can include the CO but UTG and UTG+1 are definitely positions from which to be tighter.

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