turned trip aces with ok kicker 25NL

[Trashcona]

Villain is 60/14/21 over 70 hands or so. What kind of range can we put him on here? Also, if my Ten was a club do I snap call here?

PS - I didn't get to top off my stack after losing the previous hand, hence my stack size....meh.


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($17.03)
Button ($23.10)
SB ($36.20)
Hero (BB) ($21.05)
UTG ($50.20)
MP ($39.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 10
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.65) 5, A, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, MP raises $1.30, Hero calls $0.65

Turn: ($3.25) A (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, MP raises $38.05 (All-In), Hero ??

[al yell]

this guy seems like a bit of a maniac. I personally don't see myself ever folding here, but that's just me.

[Fnord]

Board: As 5c 4c Ah
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.493% 43.27% 08.22% 971 184.50 { AA, 55-44, A2s+, A2o+ }
Hand 1: 48.507% 40.29% 08.22% 904 184.50 { AcTh }

What does his flop raise mean?

[ChrisBCritter]

Villain is 60/14/21 over 70 hands or so.

Snap him off easily here. Hopefully his A-trash isn't A4 or A5..

[Fnord]

Snap him off easily here.

Why? We're flipping against the range of any Ace, any boat. Is this a bluff line from him? What does his flop raise mean?

[ChrisBCritter]

Board: As 5c 4c Ah
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.493% 43.27% 08.22% 971 184.50 { AA, 55-44, A2s+, A2o+ }
Hand 1: 48.507% 40.29% 08.22% 904 184.50 { AcTh }

What does his flop raise mean?

Well, you can take AA out of that range (DUCY)... and add some flush draws, that will already make it a lot more favorable to us...
Board: As 5c 4c Ah
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.867% 26.31% 4.56% 1065 184.50 { 55-44, A2s+, K2s+, A2o+ }
Hand 1: 69.133% 64.58% 4.56% 2614 184.50 { AcTh }

Why? We're flipping against the range of any Ace, any boat. Is this a bluff line from him? What does his flop raise mean?

From a 60/14/21 this most definitely can be a bluff line. I like a range with some flush draws also, maybe not as extreme as above, but we are doing better than flipping IMO...

[Trashcona]

Snap him off easily here.

Why? We're flipping against the range of any Ace, any boat. Is this a bluff line from him? What does his flop raise mean?

Do you figure this is a spot where we can 4bet the flop to get more info on our hand strength? Because I figured the minraise comming from this particular player could have been any hand in his range IMO. Do we discount hands in his range like AA/AK/AQ as I would imagine he'd raise pre with these?

[Fnord]

I figured the minraise comming from this particular player could have been any hand in his range IMO.

Have you seen him do it before? I think the flop action gives you a lot of insight into his range if you've been paying attention. Based on pre-flop stats alone, I agree that we don't know much and probably should just pay him off. A little more care on our part can turn this into a fist pump or laydown though.

Here's a hand I played a couple months ago against a similar opponent after I'd seen him raise/fold a funny board, then call down most of his hands and draws. So it made it easy to figure out what sorts of hands he's raising...

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($537.10)
Hero ($345.05)
SB ($209.00)
BB ($138.30)

Pre-flop: ($3, 4 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($61, 2 players)
BB bets $50, Hero goes all-in $315.05, BB goes all-in $58.30

River: ($484.35, 2 players)

Final Pot: $277.60
BB shows:
Hero shows:

Hero wins $482.35 ( won +$137.30 )
BB lost -$138.30

is 21 his aggression frequency or his aggression factor? lol

[kb coolman]

is 21 his aggression frequency or his aggression factor? lol

LOL. Either way, you're stacking off with this guy on any hand that goes to the river.

I'd fold if that was his AFq

[kb coolman]

DOH!! For some reason, I read it as 51 instead of 21.

Yes, def fold if it's AFq.

[killerkebab]

sorry for the off topic, but if AF is defined as bets+raises/calls, what is AFq defined as?

[Trashcona]

It's agg factor not frequency.

[a500lbgorilla]

You have no notes on a 60/14/21?

as played, stack off.

[Trashcona]

You have no notes on a 60/14/21?

as played, stack off.

Sad thing is, I haven't seen him go to showdown yet at this point. I have seen him c/minraise and he's been making smallish sized bets in relation to the pot, but that's about it.

[kb coolman]

Against this guy with no other reads, you have to shove.

It's agg factor not frequency.

you want to fold to ANYONE with 21 aggression factor??

[Trashcona]

It's agg factor not frequency.

you want to fold to ANYONE with 21 aggression factor??

It's precisely why I called, but I feel that the stat is misleading in this case seeing as he's been minbetting/minraising a ton. Personally I couldn't get that number out of my head at the time.

It's agg factor not frequency.

you want to fold to ANYONE with 21 aggression factor??

It's precisely why I called, but I feel that the stat is misleading in this case seeing as he's been minbetting/minraising a ton. Personally I couldn't get that number out of my head at the time.

You're a flip against his range, unless he only shoves the nuts

[a500lbgorilla]

a fold would prolly be ok if you're running off his bet-sizing as a tell. But on the forum, I don't think that's the appropriate advice.