Fnord said two pair is a not a...

[SonOfAkira]

license to print money, and he's right.

Oh man, is he right.

I feel sick to my stomach.

That is all for now.

[Pelion]

unlucky

[Vrax]

Top two pair in raised pot is quite nice.

Bottom 2 in unraised multiway can be a trouble.

[WildBobAA]

I read this thread and then this shit happened seconds later. 2 PUR IS T3H NU7Z!!~

***** Hand History for Game 3666331441 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 04, 12:17:51 ET 2006
Table Punter (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: Superman357 ( $262.68 )
Seat 5: taxi5969 ( $200.87 )
Seat 6: langdick ( $101.45 )
Seat 3: WildBobAK ( $100 )
Seat 1: Jaylr10 ( $51.76 )
Seat 2: balls2walls8 ( $21.50 )
WildBobAK posts small blind [$0.50].
Superman357 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to WildBobAK [ 8s 3s ]
>You have options at Castor (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Carrum (No DP) Table!.
taxi5969 folds.
langdick calls [$1].
Jaylr10 calls [$1].
WildBobAK calls [$0.50].
Superman357 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Ts, 8h ]
>You have options at Carrum (No DP) Table!.
WildBobAK bets [$4].
Superman357 raises [$8].
balls2walls8 has left the table.
langdick folds.
>You have options at Carrum (No DP) Table!.
Jaylr10 folds.
WildBobAK raises [$20].
Superman357 calls [$16].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
eldger0429 has joined the table.
WildBobAK is all-In [$75]
Superman357 calls [$75].
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
>You have options at Castor (No DP) Table!.
WildBobAK shows [ 8s, 3s ] a full house, Eights full of threes.
Superman357 shows [ Jd, Js ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
WildBobAK wins $200 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of threes.

[SonOfAkira]

I read this thread and then this shit happened seconds later. 2 PUR IS T3H NU7Z!!~

***** Hand History for Game 3666331441 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 04, 12:17:51 ET 2006
Table Punter (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: Superman357 ( $262.68 )
Seat 5: taxi5969 ( $200.87 )
Seat 6: langdick ( $101.45 )
Seat 3: WildBobAK ( $100 )
Seat 1: Jaylr10 ( $51.76 )
Seat 2: balls2walls8 ( $21.50 )
WildBobAK posts small blind [$0.50].
Superman357 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to WildBobAK [ 8s 3s ]
>You have options at Castor (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Carrum (No DP) Table!.
taxi5969 folds.
langdick calls [$1].
Jaylr10 calls [$1].
WildBobAK calls [$0.50].
Superman357 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, Ts, 8h ]
>You have options at Carrum (No DP) Table!.
WildBobAK bets [$4].
Superman357 raises [$8].
balls2walls8 has left the table.
langdick folds.
>You have options at Carrum (No DP) Table!.
Jaylr10 folds.
WildBobAK raises [$20].
Superman357 calls [$16].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
eldger0429 has joined the table.
WildBobAK is all-In [$75]
Superman357 calls [$75].
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
>You have options at Castor (No DP) Table!.
WildBobAK shows [ 8s, 3s ] a full house, Eights full of threes.
Superman357 shows [ Jd, Js ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
WildBobAK wins $200 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of threes.

Well, that's how it usually goes.
But the past two days have been hell. Specifically hitting having top pair, playing it aggressively, having it make two pair on the turn and I lose my mind. I'm still trying to figure out if this is a leak or just bad luck running into strong hands, i'm leaning towards leak. Literally, five different hands, five different players, the exACT same scenario. The turn card that gives me top two pair gives villain a straight.
Plus, there was the hand where I check J6o from the BB, many limpers. Flop is J67 rainbow, SB bets half pot, I raise, UTQ +1 raises, I push, villain turns over J7o. That was a hell of a thing.
I thought this hand was going to turn out the same way, that nine giving him a straight, but I guess you're not doom switched like I am.
Party pOk3r is sO RigG3d!!!

[Fnord]

For the record, someone else said that first.

[Pelion]

83s???


fold it ffs


just because it hit this time doesnt mean you should be playing it

fold it no mater the pot odds and be proud.

[pgil]

83s???
fold it no mater the pot odds and be proud.

that seems like the most wrong statement ever.

[WildBobAA]

83s???


fold it ffs


just because it hit this time doesnt mean you should be playing it

fold it no mater the pot odds and be proud.

Well I guess since I just stacked someone with it, I can complete in the SB with it the next 200 times I get dealt and not win the pot and break even.

[aleksandr]

83s???


fold it ffs


just because it hit this time doesnt mean you should be playing it

fold it no mater the pot odds and be proud.

Well I guess since I just stacked someone with it, I can complete in the SB with it the next 200 times I get dealt and not win the pot and break even.

zomg so true. But I think next time you play it and hit bottom 2pair, and it goes to all-in, you're gonna be the one getting stacked. The only hands he could hold here are TPTK and an overpair; both have some good outs, and top 2, t+b 2, set are taking your stack. Overall I think this preflop call is probably +EV, but only marginally and only because you're suited to boot.

Other lessons to be learned: Raise your jack preflop.

[lolzzz_321]

Other lessons to be learned: Raise your jack preflop and learn to know when your overpair is beat

[dev]

Superman357 calls [$16].

If he's a hopeless aggro, I'm worried about the flush, if not, he's scared of getting stacked... ooops

Pushing 2 pair in low limits is +EV, even if it makes your BR act like a sine wave. With people that play an overpair or TP like this, why not play 83?