100NL Position stats

[johnny_fish]

First 10K hands at 100NL yield the following stats (how do I get it to normal size btw?):



Anything out of line? Should I loosen up in the blinds/button? Should I raise more preflop?

Any comments are appreciated.

[Demiparadigm]

You play really, really tight.

go to a 5 or 10 NL table, and raise approximately every hand. (or at least half if you can't bring yourself to raise all of them)
Afterward, try and play perfectly post flop.

You might learn a lot about how to play NL Holdem.

[Cocco_Bill]

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You play really, really tight.

go to a 5 or 10 NL table, and raise approximately every hand. (or at least half if you can't bring yourself to raise all of them)
Afterward, try and play perfectly post flop.

You might learn a lot about how to play NL Holdem.

A better idea would be to learn to play heads up poker..

A tight game does not equal poor post flop skills.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a tight game if you make use of the idle time by heavy multitabling(6 or more tables). Its all about how many $/h you can make. 4BB/100 on 8 tables is better than 12BB/100 on 2 tables.

[Cocco_Bill]

Here are my bonus whoring stats. When I bonus whore outside B2B I usually play 6 or more full ring tables. Sometimes on two different sites at the same time.
Otherwise my main games are the 100NL and 200NL 6-max on the B2B network.

Demiparadigm, since you think tight means no post flop skills, notice how I have actually made a Net profit from the SB at 41.43VP$IP

[Demiparadigm]

LOL
I never said you can't play tight, and well post flop. However, it is pretty easy to play post flop if you are only playing 10% of your hands preflop.

Congrats on your profit from the small blind.

These are my NL stats from 25NL - 200NL (I don't play much NL, obviously.)
Now it could be that I am just running really well over such a small sample size, but I doubt it.





I also disagree that playing HU will teach you more about ring games than trying to play every hand at lower limits.

[Fnord]

100NL on PokerStars (most of my play now is on another site.)

I mostly play other sites and these is some "tuition" payment in these numbers as I learned how to play deep stacked NLHE at that level.

[Cocco_Bill]

LOL

Now it could be that I am just running really well over such a small sample size, but I doubt it.

If that is all the hands you have, there is no way you can deduct your true winrate from it. In fact I am pretty sure that you are indeed running good playing a very swingy aggressive style of play. I say this because I believe winrates of 20ptBB/100 over the long term are extremely rare to non-existant at anything but the lowest stakes.

Lets say your unknown true winrate is 10BB/100(which is very good) and you play your first 5000 hands. If we use my SD of 30BB/100(what is yours?), then we can make the following statement.

"We can be 99% sure that your results will be within -2.7BB/100 to 22.7BB/100 after having played 5000 hands"

or

"We can be 95% sure that your results will be within 1.6BB/100 to 18.6BB/100 after having played 5000 hands"

As you can see the range is quite wide.

[johnny_fish]

Thanks for the replies so far. I try to grind at least another 10K hands at 100NL since I don't think I'm ready to move up to 200NL, although my BR almost is (2.9K).

I don't mind playing too tight. I do mind leaving EV on the table however, so what can I add?

EP: I limp PP up to JJ, KQs, ATs+, sometimes lower Axs. I raise AA-QQ, AK, AQ.
MP: now I raise a few more hands such as JJ, KQs, AJs. Limp SC's 54s+ with a few limpers before me. Still fold QT, KT, KJ, ATo, AJo.
LP: Limp suited gappers and unsuited connectors with 3 or more limpers. Raise 99+, AJ, AT, KJ, KQ, QJs sometimes a lower PP/SC/KT/QT. I raise when first in from BN/CO of course.
SB: Complete with all of the above, still need limpers for gappers and (un)suited connectors.
From the blinds in general I only raise QQ-AA, AK, AQ.

I'm 4-tabling so I don't use any reads (Gametime+ doesn't work that well with minitable view), so there's some room for improvement.
I still haven't read a book about poker, so I will do that too (HOH1/2, SS1/2, maybe TOP).

I think 6-tabling 200NL at 5PTBB/100 is achievable, maybe I get to that after a few months..

[WildBobAA]

I guess everyone's posting their stats.

[sunfunbunch]

Thanks for putting your stats up there WildBobAA.

It was nice to see some 6 max stats for once .

I'm trying out 6max and trying to figure out a profitable way to play it.

I see that you game is pretty tight overall.. however you are very aggressive.
Looks like you raise when ever you enter UTG.

Correct me if I'm wrong but from your stats it looks like you will come in UTG for a raise with any group 3 hand? From there on you will play up to group 4 hands and raise about 60-80% of those hands.
Being pretty loose helped you out on the SB... I'll give that a whirl!

Hmmm.. I might try this out... thanks for all the help!

[Fnord]

What's a group 3 hand?

[sunfunbunch]

It can be any 7% of hands you want it to be =)

[WildBobAA]

1. Looks like you raise when ever you enter UTG.

2. Correct me if I'm wrong but from your stats it looks like you will come in UTG for a raise with any group 3 hand?
From there on you will play up to group 4 hands and raise about 60-80% of those hands.

3. Being pretty loose helped you out on the SB... I'll give that a whirl!

Hmmm.. I might try this out... thanks for all the help!

1. Yep, I never open limp into any pot ever, only exception is completing the SB if it gets folded to me. Additionally I always open for 3x no matter what hand I have. It's the simplest way to disguise your hand. If you start varying your opening bets, you will eventually fall into patterns even if you conciously try to randomize them. If someone limps in behind me though I'll limp with suited connectors and low pairs (but I usually raise any pair 66 and higher still). I almost always cbet too. You have to cbet everytime whether you flop top pair, a set, straight, or flush, or miss completely. This sets you up so well to get your big hands paid off.

2. This depends on the table. I'll open any pair and AJ or better from any position. If I feel like I'm the table captain and can bully a bit I'll start opening a lot with hands like JTs UTG and in later position any suited connectors down to 56s. If I'm getting called down a lot though, I keep this to a minimum. I try to avoid calling raises with suited connectors though but I'll always call a PF raise with any pair assuming my opponent has a deep stack (80-100BB).

3. Anytime I flop top or two pair in the SB I throw out a pot sized bet without thinking twice. I want to get the hand over with since I'm OOP.

I started playing 100NL 6max 2 weeks ago with my 2k roll and I've built it up to 3.8K (I got poker tracker only last friday so not all my hands made it in). I'm planning on moving up to 200NL by next week. I'm obviously on a good run but with the general tightness in these Full Tilt games, this strategy allows me to pick up a lot of small pots with relative ease. And it also allows me to destack plenty of people too. One thing I'm really wary of is playing AA or KK. You have to be very careful not to get married to them post flop. Don't mess around with these. Overbet them and take down the small pots. Don't do anything fancy like limping. You don't want to play monster pots with unimproved AA or KK (unless you can get all the money in preflop). You want to play your monster pots with sets or when you nail the flop with a suited connector.

[sunfunbunch]

Excellent reply WildBobAA.

I'm new to the 6 max play so hopefully I can hang

[Miffed22001]

just one thing on the 6 max stats.
vp$ip from sb=43
vp$ip from bb= <20
Not a lot of blind defence to raises?
Also, i would add that rasing a larger proportion of hands in position is profitable at 6 max. A tight game will work, always but my experience (i was my pt hadnt broke!) shows that being able to play hands like QT,J9s etc from lp is a big money maker if you pick the correct spots/players/tables etc

[Cocco_Bill]

[Irisheyes]

1. Yep, I never open limp into any pot ever,

If your ability to c-bet was removed completely do you still come in for a raise every time?