10nl standard fold?

[jippo88]

Villain was pretty unknown. 75/50 over 5 hands. My 3bet size pre should of been bigger, probably more like $1. I don't think he's raising the turn with worse than sets or AK, this is just an annoying fold against an unknown right?

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Button ($13.07)
SB ($8.60)
Hero (BB) ($15)
UTG ($10.36)
MP ($13.46)
CO ($79.48)

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
1 fold, MP bets $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.25) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1

Turn: ($3.25) (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP raises to $5
Hero ?

Total pot: $8.25

[supa]

Not folding. Tiny sample but min raising + min raising + 75/50 = dipshit. Ax,Kx,FDs, worse 2pairs... we're way ahead of his range me thinks.

[jippo88]

I did figure he could maybe have worse aces that he's doing some spazzy slowplay with. It's just a line i see players take with sets really frequently, floating the flop then small raise on the turn. If you call the turn what's the plan on the river? Are you betting or check/calling most rivers other than a diamond?

[daviddem]

You have 57.7% equity against his sets and two pairs: KK+,99,55,AKs,A9s,A5s,AKo,A9o,A5o

Hard to fold, but if you call the turn you pretty much have to call all rivers (probably even diamond ones), even if he shoves given river pot odds.

I would c/c river, rather than donking, and hope he bets small instead of shoving.

Did this villain display signs of post flop over aggression in these 5 hands?

[rpm]

call turn, C/C river

[jippo88]

That was the only hand i'd seen villain play postflop so was completely readless. I did end up calling, though during post session reviewing wasn't sure if this was the best play, hence posting the hand here. The river was 4s, which does nothing to villain's range. So check/calling any bet in this spot? Given the size of the pot after the turn call it's never a fold?

Equity and pot odds are something i need to focus my study on, being that my maths is horrendous.

[daviddem]

OTR, after you call the turn, the pot is 13.25 and villain has 6.86 behind, so your pot odds if he shoves will be 6.86/26.97=25.4%. So you need at least 25.4% equity to make the call and you have 57.7% equity if he shoves his entire range. So call.

Must read threads for your math:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ll-173396.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-180192.html

and most other threads by Spoonitnow in the digest:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...pm-123008.html

You can also read Sklansky's no limit theory and practice.

edit: in this particular hand, you could pretend that villain shoves the turn instead of minraising (because you can pretty much expect him to shove the rest of his stack OTR if you call the turn). In this case, your pot odds pretending he shoves the turn become 11.86/26.97=43.9% and you have 57.7% equity vs his range, so it is still a call.

Tip: whenever you have more than 50% equity, it is always a call regardless of pot size and villain's bet size.

[jippo88]

Cool thanks man. I'll go over those threads and try and get it drilled into my brain.

[rpm]

. The river was 4s, which does nothing to villain's range. So check/calling any bet in this spot?

i would be yes

[daviddem]

Cool thanks man. I'll go over those threads and try and get it drilled into my brain.

Start with the mathematics of EV thread, as Spoon starts with a very good and simple reminder of the basic algebra needed to handle these calculations. It may seem like a lot, but it really is just simple high school math and it is very much worth spending some time on these calculations.

And if it seems over the top to you, persevere, because, as Spoon mentioned in the above thread:

Calculations in your study help you develop the intuition so you can feel your way around when you're playing.

[Carroters]

Meh shove is a good bit better than c/c c/c here. Basically he's almost never bluffing with this line. When we c/c c/c we loose quite a bit here vs sets and win sometimes vs two pair or one pair spazz outs, and win less vs hands he checks back river with. The problem with this line compared to shoving is that since we're stacking off anyways when he has sets we're actually doing worse should all the money go in since he will some check back river some with % a hand we beat and that he's stacking off on the turn with. EG. AQ AJ, two pair on flush rivers etc.

Definitely can't fold here at any point so we just have to find the line that gives us the most equity when it all goes in and gets value from worse as much as possible - that line be shove turn. I definitely expect to have over 50% equity when called actually, which is more than enough for this to be the best play (it could even be the best play with less DUCY?)

If we know this guy is hella passive and this line = absolute death then sure fold, but with 4 hands on the guy and his stupid goofy preflop sizing he's probably just a bad player who's range is much wider than sets here. Never folding.

[pocketfours]

lol at folding and yeah, shove turn.

[spoonitnow]

You have 57.7% equity against his sets and two pairs: KK+,99,55,AKs,A9s,A5s,AKo,A9o,A5o

Hard to fold, but if you call the turn you pretty much have to call all rivers (probably even diamond ones), even if he shoves given river pot odds.

I would c/c river, rather than donking, and hope he bets small instead of shoving.

Did this villain display signs of post flop over aggression in these 5 hands?

prob shove then

[dranger7070]

Agree with above, worse two pairs, potential spazz, AQ possibility. Put me in the turn shove a doodles camp.

[daviddem]

prob shove then

Yes, but maybe he folds the bottom of his range to a shove, which would make our equity vs his call-a-shove range less than 50%?

[spoonitnow]

Yes, but maybe he folds the bottom of his range to a shove, which would make our equity vs his call-a-shove range less than 50%?

lol wtf is he folding to a shove that's 2p+

[daviddem]

Yeah it's true, he can't fold with odds like these. This might be different if the stacks were deeper though.

[!Luck]

Obv he had 99, don't be so results oriented. Shove.