88 on K-low flop

[WeldPhaser]

only have 15 hands on villain here, but he's been pretty active. should not have given up the lead here and b/f this flop??

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $2.12
Hero (CO): $1.80
BTN: $5.83
BB: $1.50
BB: $1.90

BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.04) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.36, 3 players) 3 Q 5
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.24, fold, fold

BTN wins $0.34

[Shotglass]

By not c-betting it raises ????s. Either you hit hard and are slow playing, missed the flop or are scared of the Q. I can respect not wanting to bet into two other players but I'd b/f to about 0.20ish, both for value against unpaired overs and to take down the dead money.
Seriously, what would your actions be if you had AQ, KQ, KK etc? - cbet.

[bikes]

what

[Shotglass]

what

Your advice?

[WeldPhaser]

Sure I'm worried about Q's in villains range, but I think he's c-betting w/ any flush draw, AK.

I should just ask, Are you guys c-bet'ing this flop?

[Wikkiwikki]

I c-bet this flop like 100% of the time regardless of the cards.... I raised pre-flop and got 2 callers. 1st guy checks to me, I've likely only got 1 guy to beat now and dead money in the pot, just based on the action its a bet like 1/2 to 2/3 the pot.

[aka_red]

there is a lot wrong with this thread.

[WeldPhaser]

there is a lot wrong with this thread.

Yeah, Maybe my wording was wrong....

I wanted to know if I should have c-bet instead of checking...

Maybe my wording was confusing..

[MadMojoMonkey]

b/f the flop. Give up to any action unless you peel your 2 outer.

[rpm]

cb/f $0.2 would be me play

[kickass]

Y have you only got 45bb stack?

[WeldPhaser]

Y have you only got 45bb stack?

Why? because It's a shallow buy-in table max buy-in is 50bb's........

B/F, yeah I will take that line next time w/ two unders and broadway next time

[Shotglass]

B/F, yeah I will take that line next time w/ two unders and broadway next time

be careful about taking advice given for one hand and applying it across the board in a cookie cutter fashion.
A lot of circumstances may alter the play that you want to make in any given situation.

[WeldPhaser]

be careful about taking advice given for one hand and applying it across the board in a cookie cutter fashion.
A lot of circumstances may alter the play that you want to make in any given situation.

Yeah, I hear ya there. I guess the specifics for this hand are my position, 2 pre-fl' flats, pot-size from multi-way....Villains c-bet/ reaction to cbet tendencies...

HU, Should I be c/f this flop also??

[rpm]

HU, Should I be c/f this flop also??

HU on this flop should make you more inclined to CB this hand. by the same token, if we were 4-way the EV of your CB would be less.

[WeldPhaser]

kinda like here, I I actually just played this hand while I was posting so I thought it fit to glue it up here..

Villain here is 84/12, seems to only raise his PP's, maybe AK, but obviosly his flatting range is quite wide. He's actually folding a lot, and floating w/ any piece.

So yeah, this situation is a bit different, but a c-bet is still profitable here huh?

be careful about taking advice given for one hand and applying it across the board in a cookie cutter fashion.
A lot of circumstances may alter the play that you want to make in any given situation.

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1.89
BB: $2.98
UTG: $4.60
MP: $2.70
CO: $4.90
Hero (BTN): $2.85

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 8 8

UTG calls $0.04, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 3 T 6
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, fold

Hero wins $0.28

[d0zer]

how do you take the advice "don't play via strict formulas", and use it to ask about another formula, one that doesn't even make any sense.

*scratches head*

[rpm]

both hands should be CB but the second one is far more for value because this guy will call with any pair, any two overcards, any hand containing the Ah and a whole bunch of other crap like gutshots or even backdoor straight draws.

the first hand our CB is more to prevent hands with equity like AJ,JT etc from getting a free chance to improve, while getting thinnish value from 66,77,65s etc. we don't mind being semi-bluffed by flushdraws in hand one because almost every flush draw in our villain's ranges is a coinflip or even a slight favourite against us. so we can comfortably CB/F the flop, expecting to take it down ourselves a decent enough % of the time for the bet to be +EV while keeping the initiative going onto the turn, and preventing ourselves from playing the check/decide guessing game which makes our hand much harder to play on every street

[daven]

ok, so this is a shallow table? is it capped? probably best to post table details in the opening post of the thread.
regardless, cbet flop. as played fold vs the bet.

2nd hand is a good place for a value bet on the flop vs the player you described, you could c-bet a little bigger