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    Default Stats critique request - 4nl FR

    hello, so I was recommended to post my stats here for advice/critiques/comments, so here it is

    I appreciate any help.




    also, heres a graph if it lends any more information:



    big downslope at the end there was the result of tilt+playing badly and such.
    Last edited by Zorkion; 07-16-2011 at 05:42 AM.
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    Fold to a flop bet 50.55% . Tells me your limping behind too often.
    Get your 50.55% up and your Won $ at showdown (46.59%) goes up too.
    You are defending blinds too much, give em up.

    Also look .



    Your W$SD when you bet/ raised/ check- raised .Compared with when you just called. Your calling value bets when your beat.

    Im out of here now, here comes the flaming...
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    Your vp$p for every position are a bit high for my likings, are you really playing like 45% of your hands otb and almost 12% UTG? Even though I'm willing to open top 30% when on the button, if there's a pfr prior to me than I tighten up considerably.

    If you're playing full ring, full stacks (100bb) then you're defending too often. When you do decide to defend, make sure it's a hand that has some decent post flop playability or one that you can get away from easily.

    I wouldn't mind seeing the 50.44% fold to flop bet if your bet% on either the turn or river were higher, but even so it could be a bit closer to 60%. If you're floating a lot of flops then the aggression and actions on later streets will show that, which your stats do not. It appears as if you're chasing too many draws and not folding weaker hands early enough.
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    yeah there's a pretty large chance you are playing too many hands out of the blinds. though the sample is absolutely tiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm View Post
    ...though the sample is absolutely tiny
    Hi rpm

    what sample size is needed before these kinda stats become meaningful, please?

    e.g. i've only got ~7k of hands so far; can I get anything helpful from this yet?

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleJ View Post
    Hi rpm

    what sample size is needed before these kinda stats become meaningful, please?

    Cheers!
    realistically, hundreds of thousands. perhaps millions. for most of our purposes and volume levels, i think 50k is a good starting point. others would say more/less.
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    thanks fella

    is this true across-the-board? or do some stat types converge within a lower sample size?

    otherwise - i'll be back when i have 50k hands and lots of bad habits
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    Is that full ring or 6max? VPIP/PFR def too huge. The only reason you are profiting here is because there is bunch of fish. Tighten up considerably. And remove crap hands from your calling/limping range.
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    You can do alright with bad fundamentals if you use some common sense and have decent emotional control.
    You can still post up stats for review. positional vpip/pfr/3b will be fairly accurate over a couple thousand hands. Winrate won't be.
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    Thanks oskar

    and lolz @ winrate
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    Lol, I just stared at your graph and it is hilarious. In a sort of funky way. $ won without showdown bigger then your overall winnings? And money won at showdown going practically straight???
    You are bluffing the shit out of the people. Like. Really. Way. Too. Much. (mostly by defending blinds and stealing i suppose?)
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    Default Stat Check

    Well, I passed a milestone 15k hands (6-Max 2NL) this weekend, so i thought I'd post my stats for general ridicule and hilarity



    The one thing that sticks out to me is the VPIP for SB (Pos. 1) is almost as high as for BTN (Pos. 0).

    Only thing I can think of is that I'm playing a lot of tight tables, so if it folds round to me and the BB is a Nit, I'll have a poke.

    Pls. let me know if this is a one-way ticket to Leaksville.
    Last edited by DoubleJ; 08-03-2011 at 03:40 PM.
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    Too small of a sample size to be analyzing your stats. Leak Buster recommends 50k for any sort of meaningful analysis. I usually re analyze about every 30k or so. Trying to adjust your game based on such a small sample can really mess you up.
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    you defend your blinds a ton for stakes that I am assuming people often raise 3x or more
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    you defend your blinds a ton for stakes that I am assuming people often raise 3x or more
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    you defend your blinds a ton for stakes that I am assuming people often raise 3x or more
    Hi Micro2Macro

    thanks for the feedback - could you expand on it a little please, as i'm a dozy n0000b?

    and yes, 'standard' raise at 2NL seems to be 3 to 4BB, with a lot of min-raising thrown in for good measure.
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    Your VPIP/PFR is a bit high, I suspect you play lots of garbage connectors and Ax, maybe Kx hands.
    Micro says that defending blinds that much vs people who steal for 3x or more can be very unprofitable at these stakes, since someone will rarely give you credit for the hand and you will end up folding a ton postflop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekrogovner View Post
    Your VPIP/PFR is a bit high, I suspect you play lots of garbage connectors and Ax, maybe Kx hands.
    Hi Skwisgaar,

    yes, you are correct. all in the name of isolating and punishing limpers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nekrogovner View Post
    Micro says that defending blinds that much vs people who steal for 3x or more can be very unprofitable at these stakes, since someone will rarely give you credit for the hand and you will end up folding a ton postflop.
    hmmm...i'm fuzzy on this whole 'defending the blinds' thing. some homework required there.

    But you're saying you'd expect to be folding more than 80% of hands from BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleJ View Post
    Hi Skwisgaar,

    hmmm...i'm fuzzy on this whole 'defending the blinds' thing. some homework required there.

    But you're saying you'd expect to be folding more than 80% of hands from BB?

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    What exactly don't you understand about it?

    I'd say I fold more then 80% of my blinds. But its really villain dependant, if blind stealer is easy to push around, then I will get him off my back most of the time, and if he is psycho who is able to commit his mid/low pair postflop while stealing I will stay away from him with lousy hands.
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    vpip/pfr aren't necessarily bad, but it probably wouldn't hurt to tighten up a little more from ep/mp. cbet looks high esp with already playing pretty loose.

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