TPTK, good fold or fail fold?

[Gobbatino]

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (Button) ($10.30)
SB ($8.36)
BB ($12.13)
UTG ($12.69)
MP ($15.98)
CO ($4.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15) A, J, 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.15) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $5.15, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.15 | Rake: $0.25

Unfortunately I had no reads on Villain, I just sat down at the table. I felt he was showing too much strength to call, put him on a set or two pair. The limp/call PF could be indicative of 44, A4 or even AJ? Was this too nitty?

[Illfavor]

nh.

[NoPantsPoker]

Check raises at this level usually mean TPTK are beat. Plus, like you said limp calling from early position are a lot of small PP.

Folding isn't bad imo. Although I'm not happy about it..

[Robb]

This action splits on reads: about 1/3 of villains I played at 10nl I would stack off here against, about 2/3's not. Absolute was terribly passive when I played there, so the c/r flop would have me shutting down, trying to check it down or check/call an expensive river.

I don't want you thinking TPTK is an autofold to "flop c/r turn donk", though, 'cuz it's not. We just need to find the right reads to continue here maybe 25% to 50% of the time, depending on your game and typical opponents.

[poker_pup]

Absent any reads, I fold flop and definitely fold turn.

The check raise on the flop shows strength. The big bet on the turn looks like he's protecting a good hand from a flush draw.

[Robb]

Absent any reads, I fold flop and definitely fold turn.

The check raise on the flop shows strength. The big bet on the turn looks like he's protecting a good hand from a flush draw.

I don't like a flop fold for almost 4 to 1 on this board. Hero's hand gets tons of equity from any Q, T or club (15 cards). Any A, K, J or 4 adds playability + equity, too (11 cards). When half the deck helps me, and 5 or fewer cards help my opponent (who can play this line with a variety of hands some of which I beat and others I'm not horribly behind), I'm not folding to this tiny raise.

[poker_pup]

Absent any reads, I fold flop and definitely fold turn.

The check raise on the flop shows strength. The big bet on the turn looks like he's protecting a good hand from a flush draw.

I don't like a flop fold for almost 4 to 1 on this board. Hero's hand gets tons of equity from any Q, T or club (15 cards). Any A, K, J or 4 adds playability + equity, too (11 cards). When half the deck helps me, and 5 or fewer cards help my opponent (who can play this line with a variety of hands some of which I beat and others I'm not horribly behind), I'm not folding to this tiny raise.

I see your point. There is a lot of cards that would help hero's hand on the turn. But there's only two cards that would make hero's hand better than a set of 4's. Betting pattern makes me think villian has a set of 4's.

Absent any reads, i play betting patterns. At this level, check raised flop usually means TPTK is beat. Hero's probably beat on the flop and without a good draw, so I'd fold.

[Robb]

Absent any reads, I fold flop and definitely fold turn.

The check raise on the flop shows strength. The big bet on the turn looks like he's protecting a good hand from a flush draw.

I don't like a flop fold for almost 4 to 1 on this board. Hero's hand gets tons of equity from any Q, T or club (15 cards). Any A, K, J or 4 adds playability + equity, too (11 cards). When half the deck helps me, and 5 or fewer cards help my opponent (who can play this line with a variety of hands some of which I beat and others I'm not horribly behind), I'm not folding to this tiny raise.

I see your point. There is a lot of cards that would help hero's hand on the turn. But there's only two cards that would make hero's hand better than a set of 4's. Betting pattern makes me think villian has a set of 4's.

Absent any reads, i play betting patterns. At this level, check raised flop usually means TPTK is beat. Hero's probably beat on the flop and without a good draw, so I'd fold.

I'd fold the turn, but there's a ton of equity in seeing what the turn card is before folding. And he doesn't always have a set here, imo.

[bigspenda73]

from the best nl player in the world

-I had a pair and those are hard to get
-you can't win if you fold