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    Default 25NL fold or shove

    Bu is 33/20/1.1 and SB is 56/41/2 over around 100 hands. Flop cbet bet size okay? On the Turn I spike top pair in addition to OESD, but with that pot it looks like a check/fold or shove and I'm not folding this. Know 2pr are def in range, but also see other straight draws and Jx hands. Bad shove?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB ($38.85)
    UTG ($25)
    Hero (MP) ($15)
    CO ($26.75)
    Button ($26.60)
    SB ($30.60)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with K, Q
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

    Flop: ($2.80) J, 3, 10 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, Button calls $1.80, SB calls $1.80

    Turn: ($8.20) K (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $12.35 (All-In), Button calls $12.35, 1 fold

    River: ($32.90) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $32.90 | Rake: $1.60
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    Against spewy/passive opponents I probably won't bet this flop. If you bet, you're betting for FE, right?
    On the turn they either have you beat or are still drawing + second pair, which you won't get much value from by shoving. I'd probably bet $6 and shove the river regardless of what comes.
    I don't quite understand the reasoning behind check/fold.
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    Do u buyin for 60X BB all the time or forgot to reload after a pot?
    I like 6-.750 on the turn n shove any river better just cuz a lotta players will pay the 6-7.50 on turn with garbage hands and then pay the river cuz "priced in" but wont call $12 on the turn. With only 60BB ur left with making less difficult decisions.
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    Smaller bet, keep worse hands in the pot.
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    ^^^ But hero will be practically commited with any bet size, no?
    There's only one system. Bet. Lose. Borrow. Steal. Lose. Take the drugs. Lose. Prison. Death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kettleofish
    ^^^ But hero will be practically commited with any bet size, no?
    yes which is fine because this also means villain will be committed with a wider range. If he calls the turn he'll most likely be like dammit now I have to call but with a slight overbet less hands continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar
    If you bet, you're betting for FE, right?
    Yes, plus to try and control the pot and avoid a PSB from the button.

    So I'm already committed to the pot on the Turn. Bet a little smaller to keep the crap in, and then get it in on the river. Makes sense.

    Thanks!!!
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    I'd bet more on flop. Then turn is more trivial.
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    I don't bet that flop 3-handed
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopq
    I don't bet that flop 3-handed
    Yeah, maybe.

    I bet $1 pre. If I check to button I'm c/r depending on reads.
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    Don't hammer the turn. You most likely have the best hand, and only better are calling. Bet yes, but damn, nobody says if you are committed you need to fold out a Qx or AJ type hand.

    I bet this flop all day. You have a hand, start building, but leave some room if the turn goes bad to get out.
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    are you calling a raise on the flop if it goes heads-up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopq
    I don't bet that flop 3-handed
    I bet it twice on Sunday. This ain't full ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iopq
    are you calling a raise on the flop if it goes heads-up?
    Maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    This ain't full ring.
    Oh
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar
    Against spewy/passive opponents I probably won't bet this flop. If you bet, you're betting for FE, right?
    Against spewy/passives, the raise is for value and FE. Hero has 8 outs to the nuts and is OK with K or Q. The flop cbet disguises the draw, and many opponents at 25nl (especially spewy/passive ones) will call it down with AJ/AT and worse.

    As played, sarbox, bet the turn smaller and be ready to get it all in on the river, imo.

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