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  1. #1
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    Default Well that took about 60 seconds.

    Okay was so sick of top 10 threads being a bunch of bullshit. I decided to go play 10NL. Took me 3 hands to find an interesting spot.


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    BB ($11.90)
    UTG ($12.29)
    MP ($6.44)
    Hero (Button) ($10.15)
    SB ($9.90)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with XX
    1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.75) 4, 9, 8 (2 players)
    MP bets $0.40, Hero ???

    Readless obviously cause it's 3 hands in. Ohwait no I'm not. He's bronze star. He also minopen/folded to bvb so I'm going to weight his range away from absolute trash when he 3x's which helps a little but isn't really a big deal.

    Since he's bronze star I know he's not some supernit grinder and he's probably some single tabling bored loose fishy guy without looking him up.

    What's our range for flatting pre?

    What's our range for calling/raising the flop?

    How are we playing
    ...heart turns with this range?

    ...9 turns with this range?

    ...K(non heart) turns with this range?

    If you don't have a coldcall range pre-flop in this spot state why.

    edit: mod can change title to "Flatting range v unknown 10NL IP" or something along those lines if they'd like.
    Last edited by Icanhastreebet; 03-07-2012 at 09:35 PM.
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    decent suited connectors on the higher end 78s-jts.
    Think it's ok to add a few 1 gappers so err 79s-J9s.
    Most broadways , except maybe Jto-Kto , QJo,Kjo. 66-TT.
    Might chuck AJo in the muck. so just rlly good aces. Ajs,AQo, AK

    JJ might be a special scenario vs unknowns .
    I think 3 betting it is close vs an unknown
    since we have position i prefer to flat.

    Euh if he's obvious fish then it's an obvious 3 bet.
    Big pot big hand position.
    Also do we really wanna get it in with JJ vs a complete unknown.
    Might be a bit marginal.

    I like to 3 bet QQ+ always in this spot and go for stacks vs unknowns in 6 max. especially CO vs BTN.

    Might flat AK and see him lose alot of monies with AJ AQ etc.
    Though 3 betting is probably fine
    dunno whether that's going to be optimal vs complete unknown who seems to like his hand and he's likely to be fish and not gonna slowdown betting worse Ax.
    Since we don't know much about the fella i lean towards flatting AK.

    So far my coldcall range. I'm not going to delve into light 3 bets here cuz i don't think they have much merit this early on.

    Well basically postflop , we can rep a wider range then we actually have ( in my case). since we're unknown that would be his basic assumption.

    So far my coldcall range. I'm not going to delve into light 3 bets here cuz i don't think they have much merit this early on.

    Well basically postflop , we can rep a wider range then we actually have ( in my case). since we're unknown that would be his basic assumption ( so i hope).

    postflop
    reading your scenario i'm assuming he has a good starting hand so 22-AA and facecards mostly.

    A)x of hearts comes in on turn

    If we call a cb on flop and a low heart turns we can credibly rep it. We basically played it as a flush and i'd reraise the turn if he bets.

    If he checks we can opt to bet and go for a 3rd sugarpie on the river. ( the river kind of depends, i'd prefer low cards cuz that's not in his range mostly). It's a horrible spot for him to be in if he has a brain and has a big hand like JJ-AA

    Any low heart will make the board very wet ( straights, flushes we can rep). don't think i'd rep on JKQA hearts. 2 reasons.

    *these cards are more likely to pair him up if he had 2 paintcards preflop
    *it's quite likely these cards will hit my nitty broadways range. and if they don't i'm very likely folding the turn if i face another bet. ( besides the obvious stuff like turning a big flushdraw with like A hearts) . repping here just cuz any hearts hit the turn seems pretty bad to me.

    Basically lower heart cards should hit his range less and our BTN range alot more frequently in his eyes. I'm assuming villain isn't braindead. ( assuming he had a decent hand pre , so i'm thinking mostly paintcards , mediocre-big pairs).

    B) 9 turns
    Wouldn't be the greatest of cards to make a play at imo. I think it's most likely spewy. we'd be repping big combodraws , a turned boat or trips. To narrow for my taste. hihi

    C) offsuit King
    well if that didn't improve me i'm folding vs a turnbet. With the range i'm using i could never raise this turn which sucks if i wanna bluff and only float in the hope he'd check a river so i can do something spastic agressive to win it.

    I basically can only call turns even if the King hits me.
    ow right if i flat like AKhh preflop then i could raise this turn but then again i don't c much merit in it cuz raising here would narrow down his calling range to much imo.

    cheers fellas. Just my humble thoughts.
    I tried my best , you do the rest , let's keep the BC alive. I'l post some hands in the coming days and will try to make a nice selection.

    Hail Icanhasthreebet for waking us up and creating this lavishly scenario

    PS i didn't c the dude had only 65 bb , whatever let's just act he is 100 bb deep
    Last edited by TheLongGrind; 03-07-2012 at 11:42 PM.
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    I dont play 6max but whatever....
    I really am terrible vs 65bb< stacks and I am very bad when I call preflop (even in position). I dont call often.....mostly its for set odds, I just dont know how to play against ranges.


    BB ($11.90)
    UTG ($12.29)
    MP ($6.44)
    Hero (Button) ($10.15)
    SB ($9.90)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with XX
    1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.75) 4, 9, 8 (2 players)
    MP bets $0.40, Hero ???
    What's our range for flatting pre? 22-TT (JJ+ I 3bet vs 65bb stack plus AK), KQ, AJ-AQ. I will assume with that size stack that he will get it in with draws and TP hands post

    What's our range for calling/raising the flop?
    Raising: AhJh/AhQh, 44, 99, 88,
    Calling: TT, 77. and maybe AQo
    I might raise with 22, 33, 55 if for some reason I think he can let his hand go (since he did fold in the BvB hand)

    How are we playing
    ...heart turns with this range?
    If he bets 60%+ I fold. Less than that I may raise. If he checks then I am betting $1.10

    ...9 turns with this range? Not sure we can bluff the 9. There could still be equity in his range (str8 draws, FD's etc) that may make bluffing difficult vs a 65bb player. If he checks turn I am betting for value with my range but not bluffing

    ...K(non heart) turns with this range? If he checks I dont mind firing about $1.20
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    cold calling 22-JJ,78s,89s,9Ts,JTs,QJs, ATs-AQs
    3bet AJo+, AKs, QQ+,KQs,A2s-A9s

    calling flop AThh,AJhh,AQhh,JThh,QJhh,9Thh,JTs
    raising flop TT-JJ, sets,89s

    heart turns hits my calling range hard so getting in somehow, check back most of the rest of my range , decide on spot if he bets

    9/K(non heart) turns decide on spot what to do if he bets, valuebetting whats to value bet, probably check back draws
    All posts are just my own opinion about a hand or a general situation... not advices on how you should play...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinland View Post
    I dont play 6max but whatever....
    This is completely irrelevant in a CO v BTN situation and you should remove it from your thinking although people may be nittier in 6m for opening the CO which is just silly anyway.
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    What's our range for flatting pre?

    Something close to 22-TT A2s-AJs ATo-AQo 78s+ KQo

    What's our range for calling/raising the flop?

    Raising - Axhh TJhh QJhh 44 99 88 98s TT
    Calling - maybe some flush draws like KJs, but raising is an option here too. Not calling much else.

    How are we playing
    ...heart turns with this range?

    The hearts in my range bink, so I'll be betting/raising
    The sets in my range will be betting/raising turn, since I hate a 4th heart
    TT slows down, I'll call most turn bets or put out a vbet if he checks.
    98s is calling a bet and betting out when checked over.
    Other hands I probably check behind, or fold to turn bet.

    ...9 turns with this range?

    Slowing down unless I have 9x or boat, so A9hh and 89s T9s prob raise a turn bet, bet out if checked, mid strength hands like TT I try to get a cheap showdown, I'll give up on draws unless he bets like a girl. If turn 9 fills me up, I just flat call his turn bet, or bet half the pot or so when checked over.

    ...K(non heart) turns with this range?

    Misses most of my range, I might bink tp but it's not going to be strong, so I'm either looking for a cheap showdown when I hit the K, calling draws at good price, or I'm giving up if villain isn't going anywhere and price is too much.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 03-08-2012 at 11:37 AM.
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    not gonna have alot in mah calling range vs 65bber
    prolly 88-TT JTs QTs KJs all KQ all AJ and ATs, gonna be 3 bet or folding most other good hands.
    raising sets and monster draws that im stacking if he wants. calling the rest. prolly folding turn to barrels unimproved bluffing turn if he chks (chk back TT on big card turns, fold if he bets). raising if I hit hearts and if turn is a diamond and we have a diamond hand + his bet sizing doesnt change my mind. calling if I hit a K. folding to a bet on 9 unless i have TT then im calling 1 reasonable bet (dont like this).
    mmmmmm not overly impressed by my strategy here.

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