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    Default nut sizing question in 3b pot, micro FR

    villain is 80-40 gambool, callers are 40-0 unknown over 5 and 16-5 over 20 or something. I'm mostly interested in preflop and flop sizing.

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    MP2 ($5)
    CO ($4.60)
    Button ($3.99)
    Hero (SB) ($5)
    BB ($12.07)
    UTG ($6.43)
    MP1 ($7.87)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
    UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.80, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.70, 2 folds

    Flop: ($1.85) J, Q, 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.70, UTG calls $0.70

    Turn: ($3.25) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.44,
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    why so small on the flop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chatzilla View Post
    why so small on the flop?
    villain's range is huge after preflop action, pretty much any picture, any ace, any connector, and any suited cards. So, although there are a couple of draws possible these make up only a very small part of villain's range and even with the sizing I chose the draws are barely getting direct odds (although, sure, implied etc). Qx, Jx, 7x are all reasonably likely and i'm choosing my sizing to max the likelihood of the Jx and 7x calling cos i'm obviously fos, plus this is tonnes big enough to get it in over 3 streets.

    This was my reasoning, however I'm now wondering about the sizing (as per op). I'd really like to hear any opinions on what would be best sizing, whether my rationale is flawed, etc.
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    i'd just look to get it in over 2 i think. his calling range is likely to be pretty static on this flop ie he probably calls a CB with roughly the same % of his range vs $0.9 as he does $1.6 or therebouts. there is an argument for going small to entice 7x,88-TT to call, and looking to get it in over 3 streets. but i think, given villain is likely a calling station, we do best by getting the money in before more cards can fall so he can still call us down with 88-TT, gutshots, OESD's etc etc.
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    getting it in over 3 here prolly best imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpm View Post
    i'd just look to get it in over 2 i think. his calling range is likely to be pretty static on this flop ie he probably calls a CB with roughly the same % of his range vs $0.9 as he does $1.6 or therebouts. there is an argument for going small to entice 7x,88-TT to call, and looking to get it in over 3 streets. but i think, given villain is likely a calling station, we do best by getting the money in before more cards can fall so he can still call us down with 88-TT, gutshots, OESD's etc etc.
    I used to think this way, too, but I've been experimenting lately (in live games) with this type of 1/3 to 1/2 pot cbet in 3-bet pots, and it induces an unbelievable amount of spazz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    getting it in over 3 here prolly best imo
    Last edited by rpm; 08-11-2011 at 01:39 AM.
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    bet flop bigger, 1/2-2/3

    villain is a loose goose who i imagine just hit his range fairly strongly on the flop. given player reads, he looks like the type who doesnt see past the first three cards when oop players are betting into him

    after flop, just size to stack.
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    AI is probably the line i would take against mega droolers

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    I'd just bet enough on the flop so we can jam the turn comfortably, like $1.25.
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    I think I would've bet about the same as OP here.
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    He just wins, mmkay?
    Yea I dont get why we wouldnt size.it to set up a turn shove. I mean, if youre trying ti get.value out of 99, TT, Jx, etc theres probably a non zero chance he goes with it anyways, or maybe he folds on the river regardless, but we.can jam the turn and get him to call it off with.Qx, Jx (sometimes im sure) fds, teo pair, worse sets,.oesd, pair +0gutters,.etc which hes going to fold those on the river if he.missed.
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    How about slightly smaller preflop, like .65 or .70?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugmac View Post
    How about slightly smaller preflop, like .65 or .70?
    i figured that utg was calling almost any sizing, and i thought (wrongly as it turned out) that at least one of the other two would want to be in pots with UTG and would be calling as well - so i basically went bigger rather than smaller based entirely on one player. Not sure if this is good though, it does seem like it might be too big? Then again, if utg had opened to 3x and those two had called my squeeze would probably be looking too small..
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    I think sizing pre is fine, builds the pot nicely to get it in over two streets post even if only utg calls. If you want to get it in over 3 then size it down pre. Plan yo hand!
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    I like two streets here because it's not that dry and it hits utg's range pretty hard (and if it doesn't, not like he'll put more money in the pot anyway)

    so 1$ and shove turn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos View Post
    I like two streets here because it's not that dry and it hits utg's range pretty hard (and if it doesn't, not like he'll put more money in the pot anyway)

    so 1$ and shove turn
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