UGH! Help. HH reviews.

[dontezuma]

Horrible night. I played only premium hands and got my ass handed to me.

Hand one, AK on button v. UTG raise from pretty tight player. He gets a call from UTG+1, so I'm a little concerned one has a PP and the other is holding one of my outs so I call. SB calls. Fine. Flop TPTK. UTG bets, I call all the way to river when board pairs, and I shove. DRRR. How badly did I play this? Oh yeah, it's bad all over. Don't stack with TPTK, right? Sick.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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MP2 ($24.75)
Hero (CO) ($18.74)
Button ($6.32)
SB ($29.50)
BB ($5.93)
UTG ($22.98)
UTG+1 ($29.50)
MP1 ($26.84)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
UTG bets $0.85, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($4.35) Q, K, 6 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($11.35) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $4.75, Hero raises to $14.39 (All-In), UTG calls $9.64

River: ($40.13) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $40.13 | Rake: $2


Second biggest hand lost (by dollar amount) - villain is 66/13 donktard. I raise 5+X pre. WTF.

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UTG ($25)
MP1 ($23.36)
MP2 ($24.65)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($4.30)
SB ($25)
BB ($10.79)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, Hero bets $1.35, 3 folds, MP1 calls $1.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.30) 8, 2, 7 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1, MP1 calls $1

Turn: ($5.30) K (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.50, MP1 calls $3.50

River: ($12.30) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $12.30, Hero calls $12.30

Total pot: $36.90 | Rake: $1.84


Hand 3 by dollar amount lost - I'm know paranoid. What does this villain have? How retarded am I?

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MP2 ($18.56)
CO ($43.06)
Button ($17.17)
SB ($13.83)
BB ($38.85)
Hero (UTG) ($23.81)
MP1 ($11.11)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.75, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.85) A, 10, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, MP2 calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.35) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, MP2 raises to $6.50, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($17.35) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, MP2 raises to $10.06 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $24.35 | Rake: $1.21


Hand 4 - AK again. Didn't hit. Villain 62/3. He three bets me, and I guess I should lay it down pre? He only raises 3% in retrospect even though he's fishy, he only raises premiums, and to 3 bet, well, duh.

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SB ($30.84)
BB ($16.92)
UTG ($13.53)
MP ($38.50)
Hero (Button) ($11.31)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
1 fold, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1, SB raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($7.25) Q, 2, 5 (2 players)
SB bets $7.25, Hero raises to $8.31 (All-In), SB calls $1.06

Turn: ($23.87) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($23.87) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $23.87 | Rake: $1.19


So, Once again, I find myself stacking off with TPTK, and otherwise playing bad while running not so good.

Help!


{Edited by Stax to remove results}

[Stacks]

Hand 1 - You said you 'call all the way to river when board pairs, and [you] shoved'; however, you shoved the turn. Preflop and flop are fine. However, on the turn what worse hands do you believe calls a turn shove? Villain is pretty tight so he likely doesn't have many straight draws (JTs, AJs). Same goes for flush draws (AhJh, AhKh, JhTh, etc). Either way, simply put your shove on the turn isn't likely to get called by worse all that often, meaning it's probably not a good shove.

Instead, decide if you can call turn profitably or not. If so, call, if not, fold.

Hand 2 - Preflop is fine obv. However, sine MP1 is such a huge fish, I would raise larger just because he's calling so often. So raise to say $1.50.

On the flop, wtf? Why are you betting <1/3 pot against a fish who will call with loads of worse hands? Bet at least $2.50 here.

Bet turn larger as well. He's a huge fish.... Come on, we can get more value than you are going for.

River, is fine considering how bad he is. He could easily be doing this with a King, busted straight draw, even worse pairs like 8x, 7x, Ahi, random bluffs, etc.


Hand 3 - You are opening UTG, and getting called by a villain in MP. Start by playing on bet/folding this flop (unless you have reads that he's raising dry boards as a bluff/semi-bluff). On the turn, it's kinda close between bet/folding or check/evaluating. Against an unknown, I'd probably check/call.

Betting the turn doesn't have much value as most villains fold to 2 barrels with JJ-KK, Tx, and there isn't many worse Ax hands in his range.

We definitely shouldn't be bet/calling the turn. What worse hands do you think raise the turn here? He could very easily have 88, TT, A8, 98, 87, AT. Not many worse hands would raise (if any). So it's an easy fold when you bet turn and are raised.

As for river, why are you betting here? There is absolutely no value in betting. Villain has already established he has a pretty strong range (turn raises are srs bizness). c/f river easy!


Hand 4 - First off, why are you less than 50bb? Second of all, even if you were 100bb depending on MP, you should likely be 3betting. Given your stack sizes, definitely 3bet preflop. As far as played, it really depends heavily on SB's likely range. If he's a totally donk as you say, then he could easily be spazzing or have a skewed idea of a strong hand given the situation. Given your stack size, and as played, I'd just shove over his squeeze (as you likely don't have loads of hands on him so his PFR could be incorrect).

No advice on the flop, as I would never get to a flop with a SPR of 1 with AK.




Overall Thoughts
- Quit posting your hands with results. I almost decided to give some smart ass comments because of you posting with results. It's in the sticky 'how to post hand histories' that results make the level of discussion deteriorate.

- Quit saying things like 'Don't stack with TPTK, right?', and "stacked off with TPTK again". It's a big generalization and annoying. Would you not stack off with AK on an A22tt board against a villain playing 100% of hands and open shoving every flop regardless of action? I know I would, so I guess it isn't always bad to stack off with TPTK. Well, to not be as extreme, there are plenty of times when stacking off with TPTK is correct.

- Work on betsizing. I can understand your concerns because when I play tournies I feel a bit strange with the smaller (on average) postflop betsizing. This is obviously because in tournies we usually have less than 100bb.

[Parasurama]

Hand 1: 3b pre, as played just call down and bet river if checked to
Hand 2: bet more on flop, at least 2.25, river looks like a fold w/o more information.
Hand 3: fold pre, as played flop and turn are fine, river is a c/f
Hand 4: 3b pre, as played WTF are you doing on the flop, you have backdoor draws and A high with no fold equity against a nit who 3b pre oop

Edit: agree with stax about hand 3

[dontezuma]

Thanks. I posted these because they were the 4 biggest losses out of 1000+ hands tonight, and led to almost all of my overall $65 loss tonight. All showed bet sizing problems, and undue aggression.

Sorry about the results. I didn't think to trim them. Will do next time.

As for stacking off comments, yes, there are times it's fine. But I'm upset when I'm calling the stackoff, like hand 2 with AA. When he pots the river there for most of his remaining stack, WTF?

I also folded a ton of hands tonight with top pair where villain springs to life on turn or river with raise out of nowhere. I need some coaching, I think. I really appreciate your input. Thank you.

[Stacks]

Hand 1: 3b pre, as played just call down and bet river if checked to

I think Preflop is kinda close. Tbh, I'm not sure which optimal. Calling is fine obv. 3betting is probably good as well, because you (1) have blockers against the most likely hands UTG continues with (2) the caller more than likely has an inferior hand. If the caller is likely to call a 3bet with worse often, then I think I 3bet. If not, then I think I call preflop.

Hand 2: bet more on flop, at least 2.25, river looks like a fold w/o more information.

Regarding the river, against this bad of a player I think I prefer a call. I just continually keep seeing the most bizarre and retarded hands when I call bets like this from these players. Sure he can have a set, straight, etc. But he will also do this with alot of worse hands imo. To be sure, OP just plug in a viable range into pokerstove to see if a call is +EV.

Also remember there are loads more combos of hands such as KJ, KQ, KT, 99, A8, etc than there are of sets, 2 pairs, etc.

Although, I don't mind folding if (1) he isn't this bad and (2) if you have no grasp on his range.

Note: Obv if we bet more on flop and turn, the situation changes.

[Parasurama]

Hand 1: 3b pre, as played just call down and bet river if checked to

I think Preflop is kinda close. Tbh, I'm not sure which optimal. Calling is fine obv. 3betting is probably good as well, because you (1) have blockers against the most likely hands UTG continues with (2) the caller more than likely has an inferior hand. If the caller is likely to call a 3bet with worse often, then I think I 3bet. If not, then I think I call preflop.

Hand 2: bet more on flop, at least 2.25, river looks like a fold w/o more information.

Regarding the river, against this bad of a player I think I prefer a call. I just continually keep seeing the most bizarre and retarded hands when I call bets like this from these players. Sure he can have a set, straight, etc. But he will also do this with alot of worse hands imo. To be sure, OP just plug in a viable range into pokerstove to see if a call is +EV.

Also remember there are loads more combos of hands such as KJ, KQ, KT, 99, A8, etc than there are of sets, 2 pairs, etc.

Although, I don't mind folding if (1) he isn't this bad and (2) if you have no grasp on his range.

Note: Obv if we bet more on flop and turn, the situation changes.

yeah hand 1 probably is close, I'd rather flat if there wasn't a caller in between. AK plays much worse in multiway pots imo.

hand 2 it's definitely closer than I initially thought (due mainly to hand combos), but it's kind of a useless discussion w/o better reads imo. This could be a snapcall or a snapfold against a 66/13 donktard. I'd also be much more inclined to call if there had been a fd on the flop.

stacks when he donks river like that it's not a bluff line often it's omg I'm missing value if he checks back
I'd agree with you if he donked turn because most people don't donk the turn with the nuts unless they improved on the turn

[Stacks]

stacks when he donks river like that it's not a bluff line often it's omg I'm missing value if he checks back
I'd agree with you if he donked turn because most people don't donk the turn with the nuts unless they improved on the turn

I agree with you. And I would muck the river pretty fast against quite a few players. However, against a 66/13 who is (1) very unlikely to understand relative hand strength (2) probably still has a pretty wide range, and (3) does retarded crap on nearly every decision, I don't hate a call. During play I would probably call under the pretense of "lol he's fucking retarded". In review, it's definitely closer to a fold, but against 66/13... I'm not sold.

We need 33% equity. If we look at his value range that beats us as {22, 55, 77, 88, 64s, 75s, 85s, 75o, 85o, 96o, 96s, 87o, 87s, K8o, K8s, K7o, K7s} then we have 17% equity. If we toss in {T9s, T9o, KQs, KQo, KJo, KJs}, then it's a call, as we have 34.2% equity. So even with a wide value range on the river, because frankly he can have loads of 2 pair, straights, sets, he still doesn't have to be betting worse all that often. This is also assuming he plays those hands in this manner all the time. That is he always gets to the river with 55, 75, etc and bets river with them every time. Which is probably an okay assumption to make. However, with a player this bad, I also don't see how we can't account for a reasonable amount of either retardedly worse hands betting, or bluffs being in his range.

Either way, I don't mind a fold. I just don't hate a call either.