Going into passive mode in WA/WB situations w KK?

[surviva316]

The entire table is like 40-60 VPIP. they were willing to bet but i certainly wouldn't call them aggro (folding to raises and unlikely to raise as a bluff).

i'll follow up with questions i have on the hand, but there's the greater question about what to do with WA/WB situations with good pocket holdings in general

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($8.18)
Hero (Button) ($16.18)
SB ($4.51)
BB ($6.03)
UTG ($6.82)
MP ($13.12)

Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.45, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.35, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.80) , , (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.80) (4 players)
SB bets $0.90, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

River: ($4.50) (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.10

On the flop i could bet, but i had to ask myself why? i'd rather check a street and extract later with an underrepresented hand (an ace is the the ONLY scare card that can hit here), and hope a card hits that allows me to extract a middle pair or something and if i check a street, split pairs will become more confident.

turn, i woulda bet, but he threw a bet in first. then i went into the same mode of though: if i raise i'm only getting called with worse. when the second to act called i started to question this logic but i still didn't see how raising was profitable and there STILL weren't scare cards really.

river, obvious value bet but bet sizing? was really clueless here because i don't think i liked committing myself to a push from UTG, and i thought SB had a chance of calling if it wasn't for his stack (it's PL so i can't simply push)

I bet this flop EVERY TIME. I mean I see villains folding 88 maybe, but never 99+
in fact I cbet this flop small to tempt people with 55-88 to call

but say a jack rolls off on the turn, are those people calling?

[surviva316]

yeah but with these people's preflop stats, they're so unlikely to have middle pocket pairs. so i was trying to check and let their T9's and J7's hit.

you still may be right, but i wanted to point out that the continuing range that you list is a miniscule part of these donks' ranges

you're right, I didn't think about that
and actually I've learned something because I don't really slowplay enough... this means I blow people out of the pot when I have a hand

there's a problem with your logic, though
I would agree with you if they were full stacked and we may prefer to win a medium size pot
however, their stack sizes make me want to win their ENTIRE stacks
.90 on the flop, a healthy sized bet on the turn (depending on number of callers), and a river shove

as played I would prefer to at least put SB all in

[surviva316]

there's a problem with your logic, though
I would agree with you if they were full stacked and we may prefer to win a medium size pot
however, their stack sizes make me want to win their ENTIRE stacks
.90 on the flop, a healthy sized bet on the turn (depending on number of callers), and a river shove

as played I would prefer to at least put SB all in

impressive job making this argument without saying SPR lol

[bigspenda73]

I'd just bet/fold every street but I don't hate the way the hand was played

I'd just bet/fold every street but I don't hate the way the hand was played

can't b/f river because it's a shove anyway with 60BB