[2NL] QQ facing 4bet

Villain was 20/14 through 158 hands. He had also just been busted by me around 2 hands before this one. He had never 3bet/4bet and folded to 3bets 33% of the time.

I had also seen him just call a standard raise, OOP in the BB, with KQs, TT & AKo.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($3.05)
BB ($3.57)
UTG ($3.08)
MP ($2.17)
CO ($1.90)
Hero (Button) ($5.13)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif
UTG bets $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.90, 1 fold Hero???

Surely has KK/AA??

It sure feels like KK+, given all the back story. If Villain's not re-raising TT and AKo, then Hero is either way behind or flipping here against AKs. The slim chance that Villain has QQ or JJ is not enough to make the call +EV.

Sucks to fold QQ, but I can find it here.

I wonder if this is a good spot just to flat his 5x raise pre and set mine our queens.

i'm happy folding now. on supa's point of whether to 3b or not it depends a lot on the tendencies of the guy that opens. how much he is opening, what he continues with, whether this 5x sizing is significant or standard etc.

once villain cold-4-bets us we are pretty much toast though imo

Folding to a cold 4 bet with queens against a villain with these stats, particularly given orignal raiser is UTG (assuming villian is positionally aware).

Fact we busted villain 2 hands before this one makes me really want to ship it though.

I'm folding here,stacks are just too deep for me to be happy getting it in against this guy.

3 betting preflop is fine as he's already called a few 3bets so we can get value here,it sucks to fold QQ pre but it sucks more to get it in 175bb's deep and be up against a range that is most likely only AA and KK.

This fold is pretty trivial given positions/villains initial raise size and the fact that villain is probably never getting out of line. If he did he deserves a pat on the back.

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

This fold is pretty trivial given positions/villains initial raise size and the fact that villain is probably never getting out of line. If he did he deserves a pat on the back.

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How did you bust him? That could be important. I do think this is KK+ mostly (and we still have to consider UTG's big raise), but any hint that he might be on tilt?

Fold fast this is only ever a difficult spot with kk below small/midstakes games

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

He had also just been busted by me around 2 hands before this one. H

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this is kinda relevant - how did you bust him?, but 160bb deep and

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

158 hands. He had never 3bet/4bet

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makes this a fold

I outflushed him. My A high flush to his Q high flush.

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

I outflushed him. My A high flush to his Q high flush.

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edit opening post to include the hand history. This will provide a bunch of info on how villain plays. It may even lead to hand commentary that will also improve your play ;)

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Originally Posted by daven

edit opening post to include the hand history. This will provide a bunch of info on how villain plays. It may even lead to hand commentary that will also improve your play ;)

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Sorry, you've lost me?

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Sorry, you've lost me?

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i meant post the flush vs flush hand history where you stacked villain earlier in the opening post as context for the hand you're asking about

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

...He had never 3bet/4bet and folded to 3bets 33% of the time.

I had also seen him just call a standard raise, OOP in the BB, with KQs, TT & AKo.

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Even with the flush over flush history I still don't think that you've got enough to warrant a call because of the above information. It severely narrows his range to KK+. I'd be really surprised if he's holding as low as AKs.

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Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

He had also just been busted by me around 2 hands before this one. He had never 3bet/4bet and folded to 3bets 33% of the time.

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Are these deep tables , or did villain win 60 bbs the hand before???

67% he's flatted 3bets? given this stat I would wanna say he could be a little wider.