10NL, a couple of two pair hands

Hand 1

Only 4 hands on villain but he's 75/25. He took the betting lead away! Am I ever good on the river? Call or fold?

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saw flop

Hero (Button) ($13.30)
SB ($9.60)
BB ($10.88)
UTG ($10.31)
MP ($27.01)
CO ($4.88)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.40

River: ($5.45) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3.40, Hero ?

Hand 2

Only 4 hands on this villain too, he's 75/0. I think he's fishy.
I don't plan on c/f'ing the turn so I bet, and the river is a blocking bet. I think a fish could have worse hands even though the board is super scary.
I think I screwed this hand up but I'm not sure what to do different. How could I have played this hand better?

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saw flop

BB ($13.40)
Hero (UTG) ($21.67)
MP ($4.25)
CO ($15.44)
Button ($2.97)
SB ($10.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
Hero bets $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.05) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, 1 fold, CO calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, CO calls $1.40

River: ($5.05) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

no love for the two pair :rolleyes:

Hand 1 should be an easy fold, though I didn't. When the fish wakes up, he usually has something good.

Hand 2 is fine, I think, especially with villain calling down. Probably not worth posting but I was unsure of it at the time.

Hand 1 is meh, it really comes down to what type of villain this is. We don't know much, but we do know villain has played all 4 hands previously, which means they must have posted instead of waiting for the blinds as this would be the 5th hand (unless the table has just filled up - did villain post?). They've raised 3 of the 4 they played. That's not how I'd expect a passive player to behave the moment they sit at the table.

I think their line looks passive, like a floated flop, a turned flush draw with a cheap bet and then fire bigger when they hit the river, but that doesn't necessarily fit with the aggro/eagerness to play of the above. So you could also argue their line is an attempt to steal the pot. I feel like villain's range is polarised to flushes, 44 and trash. I don't think they ever have a better two pair, 77 is discounted, etc.

I guess the closest I can come to a summary is this is a spot where I feel like I should fold but I can't make a strong enough argument for it. We kinda have a bluff catcher except there may be a bigger bluffing range than we think. It's not a snap fold vs an immediately aggro unknown. I'd probably timebank, check PTR and see how much villain is down.

Hand 2 I like, there's thin value and you prevent villain from betting and confusing you. It's better than c/c and c/f. I also think your sizing is fine, river doesn't need to be any bigger and I wouldn't bet less on the turn - there are two flush draws and if you bet less you might make the hand harder to play depending on villain.

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How many tables do you play? Because while you only have 4 hands on these villains, in hand 1 in particular you have the opportunity to check the instant history and see what his pf raise sizing was like, or if he showed anything down, or what his post flop bet sizing was. You could mention if villain posted or waited for the blinds. Anything to narrow it down.

Fold hand 1 as I can't see this with worse two pairs.

Bet near pot on the flop in hand 2. River is a meh and probably c/f.

H1: Like it but I'd prob raise turn bigger. Fold river

H2: Without better reads I really don't mind a c/f on the turn. After betting turn I'd prob c/f river since I doubt he bets with worse that often.

OP you should really work through the hand and explain your thought process as you go through each street putting villains on a range, adjusting for each street and using Poker Stove as you go. I think you'll find it very helpful and often you'll see for yourself where things went wrong. Then post the hand and ppl will be able to give you more useful feedback such as "On the turn you didn't narrow range enough" or "You failed to think about ....." etc. I've found this really helps me and more times than not while I work through it I have an Ah Haa moment.

rly don't know how you guys are so excited to fold the river in H1, we got a guy who seems to want to play a shitton of hands and we're just gunna assume he rivered a BDFD? 65 missed and guys that like to play a tons of hands often have higher "random spazzout" frequencies. Also his line is f'n weird so I'm not folding.

H1 - Call river. He can have bare Ax, 65, 97, K9, K7 + random stuff along with
BD flushes and 44/99

H2 - bet flop much bigger, turn is good, river seems too thin.

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Originally Posted by HoopyDude

H1 - Call river. He can have bare Ax, 65, 97, K9, K7 + random stuff along with
BD flushes and 44/99

H2 - bet flop much bigger, turn is good, river seems too thin.

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+1 all the way

ok, so i love folding and even i don't fold river in hand 1
hand 2 - bet flop way bigger. River is fine.

I usually call river in hand 1, I'd be jaming non spade rivers though fyi.

River's too thin in 2 when you have a 4 hand sample size imo.

/me beats dead horse

hand 1- fine, i also like raising more on the turn forget who said that, could also bet a little more on the flop

hand 2- bet way more on the flop, turn is ok, river id check/fold any bet larger than like 1 dollar...maybe even just check folding straight up