Bad Fold AA? Hand review

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08-20-2009, 07:18 PM
Fedora

Bad Fold AA? Hand review

At the moment, the way he was betting, i was sure he had KK or QQ. Any input would be good

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($5.35)
UTG ($10.88)
UTG+1 ($15.83)
MP1 ($3.96)
MP2 ($3.22)
Hero (CO) ($10.38)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($10.53)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
4 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.30) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2

River: ($6.30) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $6.30 | Rake: $0.42
08-20-2009, 07:27 PM
Gobbatino

Assuming the somewhat pessimistic range of {QQ+,44,22,AQs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo}, you have 36.765% equity, need 35.8% to call I believe. Bit marginal, not a bad fold. Got any reads? He passive/aggressive? Would help with the range. Also if you think he's ever bluffing here gotta take that into consideration. Again, reads, plx.
08-20-2009, 07:34 PM
jyms

you only need to fold 1/3 times to make his bet correct so the fact that you fold AA here makes it a great bet by him, if you fold a Q here he is making a great bet. You only need to call and win this hand a little more than 1/4 of the time to make a call correct. Do you think your beat here 75% of the time? Does he ever have AK, a FD or an AQ here?
08-20-2009, 07:58 PM
Sir Pawnalot

I call.

If he has you beat- that is ok, because when you have AA beat in this situation- you get his whole stack.
08-20-2009, 09:35 PM
Roller

Call ........

Please Call ...........

Did someone say call ..............
08-21-2009, 04:48 PM
littleogre

not sure why he would donk the river but it's an easy call. If he had a big hand wouldn't he try to c-raise on the river? Also i would remove QQ from his range. Unless he is a supernit he would raise that hand. Also remove AKs
08-21-2009, 11:30 PM
CrazyAndy27s

I would always call here, mainly because he only flatted you preflop (making KK and QQ in his range less likely) and he only beats you with KQ, 44, 66, 22 here or possibly even 35, but he could have the likes of AQ, AK, JQ, JK etc here alot of the time
08-21-2009, 11:38 PM
bigspenda73

he has KQ a lot

not sure what else he can have tbh
08-22-2009, 04:04 AM
littleogre

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

he has KQ a lot

not sure what else he can have tbh

At 2 nl when a player donks the river it just means they are saying hey buddy the river card hit me. It doesn't always mean a big hand though. They love to bet when they pair on the river and the river card is the highest on the board.
08-22-2009, 04:24 AM
bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

he has KQ a lot

not sure what else he can have tbh

At 2 nl when a player donks the river it just means they are saying hey buddy the river card hit me. It doesn't always mean a big hand though. They love to bet when they pair on the river and the river card is the highest on the board.

ok, well what Kx hands hit that aren't 2 pair?
08-22-2009, 05:12 AM
FateAver

I will call here maybe he has AQ heart or AK heart
if he hit set he should reraise you at turn
08-22-2009, 06:00 AM
Parasurama

Agree that this is 2pr made on the river a lot, idk if you can fold though, you're probably good often enough
08-22-2009, 08:26 AM
littleogre

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

he has KQ a lot

not sure what else he can have tbh

At 2 nl when a player donks the river it just means they are saying hey buddy the river card hit me. It doesn't always mean a big hand though. They love to bet when they pair on the river and the river card is the highest on the board.

ok, well what Kx hands hit that aren't 2 pair?

If villain is terrible he could show up with KT or KJ. I'm not disagreeing with you about it usually being 2 pair. You play higher then me anyway just saying it's something we beat often enough to make a call
08-22-2009, 04:57 PM
Micro2Macro

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

he has KQ a lot

not sure what else he can have tbh

I agree with this 100%

I doubt QQ/KK is in his range often enough to worry about them Fedora. This line is pretty strong though, if villain just had Qx without filling his 2 pair he likely would have just check/called the river.