TT facing river PSB

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02-01-2009, 05:31 PM
Illfavor

TT facing river PSB

Early on, No reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($8.95)
MP3 ($6.05)
CO ($10)
Button ($16.40)
SB ($10.30)
BB ($10)
UTG ($18.40)
Hero (UTG+1) ($12)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, CO raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.15) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($2.15) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20

River: ($4.55) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2

Total pot: $8.55 | Rake: $0.40

Is the flop check good? I was going to c/c flop, and fold to a largish turn bet. When he checked behind, I pretty much put him squarely on AK, thus turn bet and river c/c. In hindsight the preflop call might be spew. I'm still kinda bad at set-mining situations.
02-01-2009, 05:46 PM
Hoopy

At this level I imagine his 3 bet range would be fairly small, say TT+ and AK. The flop check is fine, your aiming for a set and missed it.

Maybe bet a little more on the turn $1.50 seems good to me, on the river I feel like he has AK and is trying to take the pot using the Queen as a scare card.
02-01-2009, 09:59 PM
Micro2Macro

I think checking the river here is bad because it basically says 'yeah my turn bet was a plain steal and you called it, so you can have the pot now'. IMO bet/folding the river seems better. But with no reads it's hard to tell what the opponent checking the flop means, he could be slowplaying AA-QQ for all we know.

What do some others think about check/calling a turn bet and then betting any non Ace or King river?
02-02-2009, 12:49 AM
Illfavor

I'm not an other, but him checking the flop and calling the turn really doesn't smell like QQ+. I can agree with b/f the river but in this particular instance I'd be really pissed with folding this river on a non A/K card.
02-02-2009, 01:30 AM
Micro2Macro

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Originally Posted by Illfavor

I'm not an other, but him checking the flop and calling the turn really doesn't smell like QQ+. I can agree with b/f the river but in this particular instance I'd be really pissed with folding this river on a non A/K card.

It's an easy fold though because if you get raised you're beat most of the time. By putting a blocker bet in, like 1/2 the pot (which looks like you're betting the queen for some value), you'll save chips when you get raised and when you get called and lose the showdown. Plus you dictate how many chips you want to risk, whereas checking it over to the opponent would give him control of the pot. He probably won't raise you with air here because you called his 3-bet, so if anything he's probably going to respect a bet on the river and put you on a hand.

You could probably check/call to induce a bluff as well though. This would depend alot on reads (whether you've seen opponent take stabs at rivers before etc.) so without reads, this is a bit of a tricky spot on whether bet/folding or check/calling is ideal. I personally don't like trying to pick off bluffs unless I know my opponent is capable of bluffing in the particular situation I'm facing.
02-02-2009, 01:45 AM
Illfavor

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

It's an easy fold though because if you get raised you're beat most of the time. By putting a blocker bet in, like 1/2 the pot (which looks like you're betting the queen for some value), you'll save chips when you get raised and when you get called and lose the showdown. Plus you dictate how many chips you want to risk, whereas checking it over to the opponent would give him control of the pot. He probably won't raise you with air here because you called his 3-bet, so if anything he's probably going to respect a bet on the river and put you on a hand.

Yea it's an easy fold, but I just would feel so gross about it. The blocking bet is a great point, because after he calls the turn bet I'm in "get to showdown as cheap as possible" mode. I thought his range was really polarized here and heavily weighted towards a bluff on the river, but definitely should have bet this river to better define the situation. I did feel great about the play as I did it based on his betting patterns, and I didn't expect him to bluff at the river.
02-02-2009, 01:51 AM
Micro2Macro

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Originally Posted by Illfavor

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

It's an easy fold though because if you get raised you're beat most of the time. By putting a blocker bet in, like 1/2 the pot (which looks like you're betting the queen for some value), you'll save chips when you get raised and when you get called and lose the showdown. Plus you dictate how many chips you want to risk, whereas checking it over to the opponent would give him control of the pot. He probably won't raise you with air here because you called his 3-bet, so if anything he's probably going to respect a bet on the river and put you on a hand.

Yea it's an easy fold, but I just would feel so gross about it. The blocking bet is a great point, because after he calls the turn bet I'm in "get to showdown as cheap as possible" mode. I thought his range was really polarized here and heavily weighted towards a bluff on the river, but definitely should have bet this river to better define the situation. I did feel great about the play as I did it based on his betting patterns, and I didn't expect him to bluff at the river.

lol, man that is some advanced thinking for $10NL. You're definately going to do well as you progress to higher stakes. I doubt his range has any junk in it here but great job at making a strong analysis of the situation.