UTG w/QQ - Don't want to limp, nor lose potential

I've got to apologize. Blanket statements like I made in my first post are good ways of getting into trouble.

It'd be a TON better if you were to post some hands during which you where unsure of which action to take. That'll probably spark better discussion than hypotheticals.

Generally, my reaction to a 3bet is really situational dependant: position of 3bettor, reads, previous actions by him & me, etc. That being said, even with someone that is very tight, say opening top 20% on the button and 3betting top 10%, we still have a lot of combos that we are beating.
Against an unknown, normally I'd rather 4bet than to flat with QQ. I don't have any information about his playing style and I'm looking to find out if I'm up against another premium hand.
There is a great argument for flatting a 3bet with QQ, but I try to keep this for someone on whom I have a read and can try to exploit some of their tendancies on latter streets or against unknowns in an early position.

Bottom line is this: With QQ pre-flop you've got the 3rd best possible hand. I wouldn't worry about your opponents folding out to a large pf raise. You want to get maximum value from your hand and the way to do that is to open raise or 3bet. Yes, of course there are times that you'll run into the top of someones range or someone else will call you light and suck out but you want to think long term value (+EV) not 'fuck, my QQ, KK, AA got cracked last 3 times so I'll just limp.'
Keep asking yourself 'What is the best way to get the most value from my hand in this situation?' and you'll scoop more than your share of pots.

first off 3betting 10% is super super loose, not tight.

Secondly 3betting 10% against an UTG open is lol, only complete fish are doing it.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

It'd be a TON That being said, even with someone that is very tight, say opening top 20% on the button and 3betting top 10%, we still have a lot of combos that we are beating.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bucket

first off 3betting 10% is super super loose, not tight.

I'll restate:

Originally Posted by Shotglass
Edit: After re-reading one of your other posts I realized that we have different ideas of the definition of extremely tight.

What's your idea of a tight 3bet from the button, top 1%?

Originally Posted by Shotglass

I'll restate:

What's your idea of a tight 3bet from the button, top 1%?

I think you are missing a point here. If you 3bet 10% from a button vs UTG, you are very loose, but if you 3bet 1% from buttons vs UTG then you are tight.
On the other hand, if you 3bet 10% from button vs MP or LP, you are quite tight.

Originally Posted by Nekrogovner

I think you are missing a point here. If you 3bet 10% from a button vs UTG, you are very loose, but if you 3bet 1% from buttons vs UTG then you are tight.
On the other hand, if you 3bet 10% from button vs MP or LP, you are quite tight.

I understand all of that, which is one of the reasons I why I wrote the longer post than the first one that was a cookie cutter statement. It's also one of the reasons that I recomended that the OP just post hands instead of generalizations, because most decisions that are made during a hand are going to be situational dependant.

Basically I forgot to write in the bold part (again showing my true blonde nature):

Originally Posted by Shotglass

That being said, even with someone that is very tight, say opening top 20% on the button and 3betting top 10% vs a raise from MP2 or later, we still have a lot of combos that we are beating.

I thought about fixing the post but think I should leave it as it is due to the responses.
Sorry for any confusion that I caused.

Assuming 100 deep and both players are regulars, 3betting range of a BU against an UTG open has almost no bluffs as bluffing a tight range is unprofitable. Most regs will 3bet KK+, some throw in QQ, and a few will add AK. If the reg appears to be tight, it's far more likely to be KK+.

Above is all based off of my very limited experience. Above is also all very villain dependent. I think we are in agreement that to really talk about this we should have a HH infront of us.

As for the definition of "very tight" I'd say anyone with a VPIP under 16.