Quote Originally Posted by surviva316
btw, i think an underrated aspect of timing tells is getting notes in hands that were folded thanks to timing tells. e.g. if someone raises your cbet, you call and then lead the turn and they snap fold, you can take a note that it was a bluff with a fair bit of confidence. also if someone snap calls a cbet and then folds to a turn bet, you can feel confident that calling cbets with most of their range is their standard play.
That is a very good point. You can often take player notes even if the hand didn't go to showdown. I usually just add a question mark to those reads.

And you're right... the tendency is to go overboard with these things. Even if someones range really is weak, it doesn't mean they will fold!

Vineland... if the original raiser checks a Q+ high board, I'm pretty much auto-betting, and taking a note if he calls no matter what.