Sticky QQ turn spot needing a line/range check

I need help finding the best line in this hand, and discussion of villain ranges as this is one of the major things I need to improve on in poker.

25NL, my table image is loose and aggressive, I've been 3 betting a whole bunch and getting quite out of line against the regulars, who have been on my right and have been overactive on the button. I've 3b both the SB and the CO more than twice each since I've sat at the table and either gotten a fold or won the pot on the flop.

Mini Villain SB is a LAG who abuses position and folds to a lot of 3bets, running at 34/31 and folding to 3b 84% of the time over a 209 hand sample size.

Main Villain CO is fairly tight, and quite aggressive on flops, often winning pots due to a mix of good hands and aggression. An AFeq of 39%. Hes running at 15/8 over 119 hands and a 15% steal. Been getting suspicious lately.

SB ($31.31)
BB Hero ($25)
UTG ($46.38)
CO ($33.76)
BTN ($25.10)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, CO raises to $0.50, fold, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $2 , CO calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50

CO min raises which I've never seen before, SB calls with a think a tighter range than usual due to being OOP. I raise it fairly large with QQ hoping to build a big pot, also because I'll be OOP to the CO. I have relative position on the SB Lag so I'm hoping he will follow along if CO calls. I think both players are quite suspicious of me.

FLOP ($6) T J 8

Flop is draw heavy and a whole bunch of lower pocket pairs I normally extract value from just got there. SB checks. I bet 4$, which I think is my first mistake in the hand, I think betting 5.5$ is better to charge strong draws and AJ,AT hands.

SB checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4, SB folds

TURN ($14) T J 8 A


Hero ??

When an Ace rolls off on the turn my brain kind of fizzled with indecision. I honestly didn't have a strong clue what to do here. A few questions I have here is what range at this point to you put on the CO villain? In the actual hand I took a b/f approach betting 7.5$ into 14$. What do you think of this line? I think checking this turn allows Villain to bet his entire range and forcing me to fold.

Also, my QQ is now extracting value from such a narrow range (99,KJ, maybe 87/89) that is betting this turn even going to be profitable? Should I just check/f this turn considering what hands I get value from, what I fold out and what beats me?

Still working on my ability to put villains on accurate ranges so please tear my attempt apart. Here I put the CO who min raised and then flatted my 3b and then called my flop bet on : KQ (though I have this hand heavily blocked) KJ, 55-JJ, AJ, AK (which I think he sometimes flats to trap spewmonkeys like me), maybe a hand like JTs/J9s or T9/T8s and suited aces AT-A7. Out of this range I get his very low pockets to fold if I bet turn, another call from any draws that haven't hit and a raise from 2pair and better (or a call to trap me). According to my attempt at a range I looks like I should b/f the turn perhaps 1/2 pot.

This hand seemed really sticky and tough so a ton of advice on how to play it would be appreciated. (and if it was misplayed preflop or on the flop).

if he bets his entire range why would you fold

Do you think a check call check fold river line would be good here?

I guess my reasoning was I'll have a clearer idea of what villain has if I bet this turn, rather than calling a bet on this turn. If he has me beat and I call his turn bet and he does a small value bet on the river it looks tough not to call but if I b/f then there's no additional cost or difficult decision on the river.

This line of thinking might be completely wrong though.

Also, a big concern I have with this hand is that the large majority of his range beats me, so that b/fing the turn or check calling could be essentially spew. Hes very tight and this board seems to hit him hard. I don't know if this is correct or not though.

fire 1/2ish pot or c/c depending on what he would think of you I guess.

if he isn't merging on the turn when he bets he probably checks back very often since he won't really have many pure bluffs in his betting range given his flop call. Like KJ/QJ likely don't bet...AJ/JT/KQ/TT/88 will...he may or may not fire the turn with 99 etc. I don't really see any air in his range, so c/c kinda sucks it just allows you to get pwnd and you'll have to fold most rivers, and may get sucked into a crying call due to 'pot odds' if you bink your Q.

I lean towards c/f unless he bets small.

if he checks back we can vbet river and it's perfect for our hand since we get two streets of value

Originally Posted by Blackychan

I need help finding the best line in this hand, and discussion of villain ranges as this is one of the major things I need to improve on in poker.

25NL, my table image is loose and aggressive, I've been 3 betting a whole bunch and getting quite out of line against the regulars, who have been on my right and have been overactive on the button. I've 3b both the SB and the CO more than twice each since I've sat at the table and either gotten a fold or won the pot on the flop.

Mini Villain SB is a LAG who abuses position and folds to a lot of 3bets, running at 34/31 and folding to 3b 84% of the time over a 209 hand sample size.

Main Villain CO is fairly tight, and quite aggressive on flops, often winning pots due to a mix of good hands and aggression. An AFeq of 39%. Hes running at 15/8 over 119 hands and a 15% steal. Been getting suspicious lately.

SB ($31.31)
BB Hero ($25)
UTG ($46.38)
CO ($33.76)
BTN ($25.10)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, CO raises to $0.50, fold, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $2 , CO calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50

CO min raises which I've never seen before, SB calls with a think a tighter range than usual due to being OOP. I raise it fairly large with QQ hoping to build a big pot, also because I'll be OOP to the CO. I have relative position on the SB Lag so I'm hoping he will follow along if CO calls. I think both players are quite suspicious of me.

FLOP ($6) T J 8

Flop is draw heavy and a whole bunch of lower pocket pairs I normally extract value from just got there. SB checks. I bet 4$, which I think is my first mistake in the hand, I think betting 5.5$ is better to charge strong draws and AJ,AT hands.

SB checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4, SB folds

TURN ($14) T J 8 A


Hero ??

When an Ace rolls off on the turn my brain kind of fizzled with indecision. I honestly didn't have a strong clue what to do here. A few questions I have here is what range at this point to you put on the CO villain? In the actual hand I took a b/f approach betting 7.5$ into 14$. What do you think of this line? I think checking this turn allows Villain to bet his entire range and forcing me to fold.

Also, my QQ is now extracting value from such a narrow range (99,KJ, maybe 87/89) that is betting this turn even going to be profitable? Should I just check/f this turn considering what hands I get value from, what I fold out and what beats me?

Still working on my ability to put villains on accurate ranges so please tear my attempt apart. Here I put the CO who min raised and then flatted my 3b and then called my flop bet on : KQ (though I have this hand heavily blocked) KJ, 55-JJ, AJ, AK (which I think he sometimes flats to trap spewmonkeys like me), maybe a hand like JTs/J9s or T9/T8s and suited aces AT-A7. Out of this range I get his very low pockets to fold if I bet turn, another call from any draws that haven't hit and a raise from 2pair and better (or a call to trap me). According to my attempt at a range I looks like I should b/f the turn perhaps 1/2 pot.

This hand seemed really sticky and tough so a ton of advice on how to play it would be appreciated. (and if it was misplayed preflop or on the flop).

I may be new to the forum so my advice may sound a little out there but here goes.
I would not put CO on KQ, not with him having a 15% VP$IP, if he's a reg.
I would put him on AA/KK/AK and maybe a few PPs, something like TT+.
With stats as wide as his, and his actions, I would say he is mixing his game up by playing only premium hands but not always raising with them.
With that said, your line on the flop is correct and when the turn comes, your next move would be to think.
How much are you willing to call?, whatever you decide you might call, you take that amount and make another bet of that amount on the turn, taking a line of c/f is weak IMO.

You have to fire that second bullet, checking the turn would look weak and most TAG regs will take that opening to bluff.
If you're called on the turn bet then you slow down or fold if he comes over the top and c/f river.

Originally Posted by iopq

if he checks back we can vbet river and it's perfect for our hand since we get two streets of value

this. i'm pretty sure the only reason this hand is posted is because zomg it's queens.

c/inducing the river is retarded because villain would of bet his entire bluffing range on the turn and betting river for value is fine because we have the second best hand in our B range.