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    Default Some help with a bad run

    Ok guys, i know some of you have suffered from some mofo bad runs at some time and another so i guess my question is is there anything i can do about a bad run?
    Everytime this week my chips have gone in the middle with AA or flushes etc i've been either outdrawn or theyve hit miracle cards. Thus do i just keep putting my chips there?
    Ive looked at my play and almost every time i think ive made the correct decision to push. (i wont post examples of Aces getting cracked you guys will have seen more than i have)
    Is there anything i can do or do i keep playing the same tagg game and wait for the rewards when these miracle cards stop appearing?
    Each day ive lost 10% of my bankrole so ive taken a nasty hit in that sense (ive stopped playing for the minute while i try to figure out if theres a big leak in my game)

    P.s Just had another.
    I call from mid position with J9 off. I hit a straight on a rainbow flop. Pot has three players and is raised and rerasied to me by bigger stacks. Ive got to go all in to call so i do (thinking i have the nutz) i do the others have two pair and a set. Of course the turn pairs the board and i wave bye bye to my stack again. I have made this play before and have won so is this a -ev play or was i just unlucky? The two pair has only 4 outs i cant remember the sets outs but surely im right going all in with the nut straight?)
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    Default Re: Some help with a bad run

    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    (ive stopped playing for the minute while i try to figure out if theres a big leak in my game)
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    I call from mid position with J9 off.
    I think I found it.
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    lol
    There were 4 at the table and any raise tended to win the pot pre flop. It was worth calling with garbage to see the flop.
    Under any other circumstance im throwing this away without thinking about it.
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    Well, I hate to be harsh, but...

    What advice do you expect to get based on your original post? Fold AA preflop? Fold to an all-in in front of you when you flop the nuts?

    The only thing you have said about your game is that you are a TAgg (isn't everyone?) and that you called from middle position with J9off. These statements are hardly congruous.

    That said, bad runs do happen, and the best case scenario is that your opponents are sucking out on you. If you are playing well but getting unlucky, just keep slogging through the bad patch. If you are playing poorly, figure out what you are doing wrong and correct it.

    If you want strategy advice, post some situations, or better yet, hand histories. Otherwise, this is just a BBID and belongs in It's All Bad!
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    Tough to say. I know my problem used to be when a bad run of cards came, I wasn't compensating for it with yet undeveloped parts of my game such as positional representation, postflop weakness stealing (any position), protecting weak top pairs properly, trapping aggression, calling raises with implied odds, sniffing out monsters when you have a pretty good hand (so you don't bleed off and get pot committed).

    That's just off the top of my head. So if I played tight aggressive today (and I wouldn't), a bad day for me would be break even because of the way I compensate for bad beats with the down and dirty in "non action" hands.

    Of course I am not tight aggressive. I used to be tight aggressive, but as my game developed I became loose aggressive. I decided with a little more risk I could make more money pushing the edges of my repertoire. Now I have a few losing sessions (because of my looser choice), and a whole lot of big winning sessions.

    What I suggest to you is that you don't worry about bad beats. Concentrate on figuring out a way to have more of those smaller pots that you deserve. One thing I've been doing lately is finding out who raises weak (things like A7off), and start isolating them with a reraise holding stuff like JT suited, or AJ offsuit. I figured out I can reraise some people with non reraising type hands to get heads up on their weakness.

    I also don't try to force out draws in TPTK hands where it's almost impossible to blow the drawing odds for everyone without huge bet big risk (too many people in hand who called a significant flop bet and might already have a set or two pair). Sometimes it's better to milk and let draw, hoping for blanks so you can showdown for cheaper against a suspected two pair or trips. Just stuff you'll learn.

    It's the toolbox man. You have to start filling it. It's not the bad beats you really lose money on. It's the smaller bread and butter pots that you allow to get away which would gap your losses coupled with getting pulled into a couple that bleed you because your reads aren't sound yet.
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    As others have said,
    J-9o from MP is a bad example of TAGG play.

    I feel your pain though.

    I lost my stack to a tilting maniac who puseh pre-flop with 4-7o, when I had A-A. I'll take those odds all the time, but.... 3-5-6, bye-bye stack.

    I had a bad run last week, losing about 100$ in 25$ NL over 2000 hands or so, but am up again this week by 150$ plus empire's reload bonus, so just ride it out man, the sun will rise again.

    Drew
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    The best advice I can give is remember it's a bad beat and don't think you have some goods owed to you now by the poker gods. I'm always fighting this problem. Last night for example I dropped $200 because of this. Had two bad beats on a 100NL table one after another that robbed me of my buy-in rather quickly. So what did I do? Bought in again and charged in with my head down and ended up getting taken out in one fell swoop a few hands later because I convinced myself "this" was my hand. It was stupid and realized I deserved to lose that hand when I sat out and looked at it with a clearer head.

    So I guess to sum it up, I'm trying to say simply don't let the bad beats put you on tilt. That's the element you do control, is you continuing to play your A game. The beats can never be controlled.

    And if you think you've been getting a lot of bad beats, look through your hand histories once you're out of the game and you might see something a little more clearer than you did during the actual game. And post a few questionable ones in the hand histories section so the experts here can rip you apart for being so stupid That's what I do and it seems to knock something loose that brings my game up to speed.
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    You know what I do in times like these? I find me a ripe maniac and camp to his left. It always seems to cheer me up.
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    Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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    What I like to do is take a break and reevaluate my game. If you did this, I think you'll be much better the next time. I think Taggs have a tough time with running bad because for the most part they do rely heavily on cards and when they don't get them they stop playing their game (too loose). If you step away for a while then maybe you can get back your A-game.

    If you honestly feel like your game hasn't changed then all you can do is play it out.

    It could also be that you've been overplaying some of your hands and it's catching up to you now.

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