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Originally Posted by Alexos

This. The CC% is a huge issue. Also steal more from LP/SB.

Regarding CC% and Co/Bu/Sb steal numbers what sort of numbers do you think he should be looking for overall?

Originally Posted by Stacks

Regarding CC% and Co/Bu/Sb steal numbers what sort of numbers do you think he should be looking for overall?

CC% def below 10, but prob 5% would be optimal for him? That said, the better you are postflop (creativity, hand reading, etc) the more you can afford to just call a wider range pre.

CO/BU/SB : Like bikes mentionned, his SB steal success % seems rly high, so selectively start stealing a lot more and get it up to 50% or so. Steal 90% from players that fold a lot, then just c/f lot of bad flops, until they realize.
CO like 35%, BTN like 60%. But again do it selectively, based on the players in BTN/SB/BB.

*These steal % could be a bit too high if you're not used to having trash that often, so stick to what you're comfortable at and gradually increase these. The only obvious one is to increase the SB steal, based on the success rate it's been getting.

Originally Posted by Alexos

CC% def below 10, but prob 5% would be optimal for him? That said, the better you are postflop (creativity, hand reading, etc) the more you can afford to just call a wider range pre.

I really disagree with this. Sure you can play a little wider if you are really good but at micros people just aren't folding in general and you are going to bleed money to the rake.

Originally Posted by jyms

Biggest issues for me are not playing properly during variance(tilt), button smashing (too many hands), lack of study and not thinking enough during hands. My old habits of playing robotically are very hard habits to break.

All things that are within your control and separate from poker theory. Discipline, fewer tables, routine are all relevant here.

Re first set of stats. Call and/or limp behind way less often. Whenever you are about to call pre start to consider folding or 3betting also. Folding preflop isn't as weak or passive as some people think (consider, e.g., how AF is calculated). Post position stats. Steal more. How are you responding vs 3bets? likely calling these too often too.

Originally Posted by jyms

ow, not cold calling is hard. Particularly when it's such a habit vs bad players that stack off with TP like it's the nuts.

this is really telling. You're calling with speculative hands planning on winning big pots at showdown vs strong ranges a lot, right? Thing is, if they're getting super-aggro with TPTK and anything better then it's going to be hard for you to identify whether your nuttish hands are ahead or behind. I mean, we all fall into the habit of 'yeah, they're bad, i'll call and outplay them postflop', but it's easy to over-estimate how much of a skill edge is present, and to underestimate how much this skill edge is negated by fps and card disadvantage.
Run a few filters based on vpip=true, pfr=false, separating it into card groupings (e.g. 22-66, 77-TT, Axs, scs and 1-gappers, all other shit you are calling with pre) and look at what is happening. I easily remember the 100bb wins when i called with J9s, and forget the 30 times i called and lost between 3 and 25bb, and to over-justify the postflop flip spots with that holding as 'standard' when there were probably better lines available.

Re second set of stats. Your 3b looks pretty high, maybe some of those spots could be folds. Or sample size could be relevant here. It's hard to tell whether you are calling too often as first action preflop without knowing how hem treats calls vs 3bets and/or a call-call line when you flat an open then call the squeeze. You know that there are spots where calling pre is the best decision, aiming to eliminate it entirely seems bad. It's interesting to note what has happened to your flop aggression, probably due to having initiative more often.

Originally Posted by daven

I mean, we all fall into the habit of 'yeah, they're bad, i'll call and outplay them postflop', but it's easy to over-estimate how much of a skill edge is present, and to underestimate how much this skill edge is negated by fps and card disadvantage.

This is key to why I have failed at the micros since coming back to poker. The bolded part is a huge issue I know but still don't pay attention to.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

I really disagree with this. Sure you can play a little wider if you are really good but at micros people just aren't folding in general and you are going to bleed money to the rake.

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with? I mentioned he should prolly cold call 5% or so, then followed it up by a general statement about cold calling - not specific to micros

Originally Posted by Alexos

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with? I mentioned he should prolly cold call 5% or so, then followed it up by a general statement about cold calling - not specific to micros

Didn't think you were talking about 600NL in the micro forum, sorry.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Didn't think you were talking about 600NL in the micro forum, sorry.

You don't seem to get it. If you are a better player than the avg players at your stake, whichever that is, you can afford to play a looser range IP (which includes cold calling more). It has nothing to do with 25nl or 600nl or 20billion nl. Basically suggesting to Jyms to tighten up a lot with his CC% until he starts getting better and crushing, and then loosen up a bit gradually. Seems pretty relevant to micro stakes imo.

Originally Posted by Alexos

You don't seem to get it. If you are a better player than the avg players at your stake, whichever that is, you can afford to play a looser range IP (which includes cold calling more). It has nothing to do with 25nl or 600nl or 20billion nl. Basically suggesting to Jyms to tighten up a lot with his CC% until he starts getting better and crushing, and then loosen up a bit gradually. Seems pretty relevant to micro stakes imo.

You mean to tell me a better player can play more hands profitably then a worst player? Mind blown! I was simply stating that if we compare player X to player Y where player X has P edge at 600NL then at 25NL player X will have a smaller edge than at 600NL due to rake. It's not that difficult to comprehend.

Therefore like I said in my earlier post we can say most players should avoid coldcalling as much and focus on 3bing(since no rake is paid).

If player X has P edge when he cold calls v player Y at 600NL with 98s and Q edge when he 3bs it P may be > Q at 600NL but at 25NL Q may be > P. It's not difficult, really.