range ?

ok in this hand i am against an unknown, i have 11 hands with him and have no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($0.98)
Hero (MP2) ($1.97)
CO ($5.31)
Button ($4.92)
SB ($2.37)
BB ($5.78)
UTG ($0.98)
UTG+1 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, A
3 folds, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.23) K, A, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, Button calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.67) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.42, Button raises to $4.60 (All-In), Hero calls $1.23 (All-In)

River: ($3.97) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.97 | Rake: $0.15


i am calling 1.23 t0 win 2.74, so i need 32%equity to make this a call.

The range i originally gave this guy: KK+,44,AJs+,A4s,AJo+,A4o
gives mes 25% equity and makes it a clear fold,

but if i increase his range to: KK+,44,A9s+,A4s,ATo+,A4o, i have my 32% equity and can at least break even making this call

so i guess either way it is a fold really, but my real question is, at 2nl is the second range an alright range to give someone at this spot who is 40/0 over 11 hands even though its a microscopic sample size :-/

it's close with your ranges, I'd discount AA/KK/A4/44 a fair amount because of PF and flop/turn play. AA/KK bound to 3bet PF, a4 folds a high % of the time and might raise the flop but would probably just flat the turn had they called the flop, 44 probably raises the flop and if they don't, like A4, probably just call the turn.

Range is probably like AT-AK, semi-bluff hearts

This is micro stakes and a 4 is very much still in the range, they only know how to slow play big hands, and a stack a donk is usually tilted towards monsters, or sometimes TP when they think your full of shit. Monsters is subject to the players opinion though and he know thinks he has a monster with any A making 2 pr and a K high kicker

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

it's close with your ranges, I'd discount AA/KK/A4/44 a fair amount because of PF and flop/turn play. AA/KK bound to 3bet PF, a4 folds a high % of the time and might raise the flop but would probably just flat the turn had they called the flop, 44 probably raises the flop and if they don't, like A4, probably just call the turn.

Range is probably like AT-AK, semi-bluff hearts

there are players who will def call with a4s "with position" pretty much all the time, and i agree about them probably just calling the turn if they did that on the river.

He ended up having kk. And a lot of people i have seen at this limit like to just smooth call aa, or kk (as annoying as that is). So i am def keeping this in future rando's ranges until i see them 3betting it

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

there are players who will def call with a4s "with position" pretty much all the time

I def. agree with that but in this hand there is no A4s in the deck by the turn...

yea i feel that, but pokerstove adjusts for negligence like this

Originally Posted by nish81

You know what, a few people might disagree here, but at 2nl i've seen such a wide variety of idiotic play that without some semi-decent stats/reads its hard to formulate any kind of working range.

Off topic but related to what we talked about earlier today on AIM: is this a manifestation of your anxiety (about being wrong about your opponent's range)?

Moreover, I'll show you some ways to adjust for this in IRC later. Damn time zone bs. At least when you're in the UK you'll only be +5 from me.

Originally Posted by Belt

I def. agree with that but in this hand there is no A4s in the deck by the turn...

I like this guy and I hope he'll come to IRC (there's a sticky in the community forum about how to get there).