quick math question how often should i call with my bluff catchers ?

Originally Posted by ImSavy

bet too much

But we have to find a balance. We could just c bet 100 percent of the time and it would be nice if our opponents just kept folding to much but even the worst Vs will eventually adjust

Originally Posted by grumpy64

even the worst Vs will eventually adjust

So up until then, exploit the crap out of them. Furthermore, they frequently adjust to an even more exploitable strategy.
Am I missing your point?

Hero shall not adjust prior to the evidence that Villain is adjusting, though. That would be throwing away EV.

Hero shall not just automatically assume that Villains' adjustments mean that Hero needs to adjust. They frequently do mean that, but not always.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

So up until then, exploit the crap out of them. Furthermore, they frequently adjust to an even more exploitable strategy.
Am I missing your point?

Hero shall not adjust prior to the evidence that Villain is adjusting, though. That would be throwing away EV.

Hero shall not just automatically assume that Villains' adjustments mean that Hero needs to adjust. They frequently do mean that, but not always.

well i currently cbet air 70 percent in HU pots would be higher but it's difficult to fire 10 high on a str8ing monotone board or 1 that contains multiple broadway cards. I play at a unique site that has an average fold to cbet of around 80 percent.

i'm just worried if i get even more agro someone might wise up and start raising my cbets with air.

Originally Posted by grumpy64

well i currently cbet air 70 percent in HU pots

This stat reflects your many different adjustments to many different villains. It is an average over all of your strategies, and not your strategy, if you follow.

You should be varying this number in every hand based on all the usual factors: position, stack sizes, Villain's ranges, board texture, etc.

Originally Posted by grumpy64

i'm just worried if i get even more agro someone might wise up and start raising my cbets with air.

I'm worried that if you keep finding excuses to avoid taking the maximum +EV line at every opportunity you'll be at the micros wondering why you can't move up in stakes for a long, long time.

Worrying over something that hasn't happened yet is only useful if that worry inspires you to be more prepared. So let that worry compel you to do the study to be prepared.

Will they bet their air with a frequency that doesn't screw themselves? Will they be sensible in their bet sizes as they make this adjustment? Will they respond to 3-bets like a tool?

All of these are important questions. You won't know the exact answers until and if Villain actually does "wise up." By exploring how you would respond to each of the potential leaks in their adjustments, you will adjust right along with them in a way that keeps you maximizing your EV.


Besides, if you're not the one to be max exploiting the fish, then another shark will do it. Eventually, the fish will feel that pressure to adjust. The question is: Will the money they lose learning that lesson go to you or someone else?