Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
This is a ridiculous derail.
Sorry, I guess. Though the thread has been dead for 6 months.

The amount of equity in your remaining stack that you're giving up to the flush draw far far far outweights the non-chop equity you would have against two villains. I'm not sure why that's not obvious. In order to even have a chance of winning this hand, you would need both villains to have slow played pre and post with a big pair, or broadway hand that flopped strong. And then you need both villains to decide that the appearance of a 4-liner is the green light to spaz. I'm just not seeing it.

But we can agree to disagree I suppose. Folding the nuts is an extreme example, but I do think that there are lots of spots in live poker where "always" and "never" are totally appropriate words to use. And this is one of them. We're never winning more than 4BB's here, and we're sometimes losing a hell of a lot more.