Quote Originally Posted by supa View Post

What also isn't being considered and might not be worth considering is when we lose to set over set or flopped flushes or whatever.
It is worth considering. Something monkey isn't considering which is super important is we'll flop a set and won't get paid a tonne of the time. This is why we want like 15x+ if you are using some quick and easy rule. Of course we'll win some pots etc at showdown but this isn't going to happen very often with weaker v 3b ranges.

Also the times we do get coolered set v set, flush over set, straight over set we are losing our entire stack so it's obviously a pretty large factor and since we are "setmining" we are pretty much never set over setting the other guy in a 3b pot.