Player types

OK, I need to know really where I'm going wrong, so I'll share my pre flop range for you all to comment on...

Limits 2nl, usually 8+ players, rarely less than 5, looseish table (if it's too tight I'll move), average of 2 outright fish per table while the rest are either poor or average, with the occasional good player. I consider myself average, which is better than 90% of the average table!

Early (UTG -UTG+2), I limp 22-TT AJs AQ, raise AQs+ AK JJ+, fold the rest.

Middle (UTG+3, +4) No limps - I limp 22-66 A2s -A9s 67+, Raise 77+ ATs+ AJ+, fold the rest.
Limp(s) - Roughly same as early
Raise - Call 22-JJ, raise QQ+ AK, fold the rest (I'll adjust if a fish raises)

Late (HJ- BU) No limps - I raise 22+, A2s+, 56s+, AT+, suited broadway, fold the rest (button I'll raise ace rag off suit if it's folded around to me).
Limps - same as no limps, just bigger raise
Raise - Call 22-TT AQs, raise JJ+ AK, fold the rest.

Blinds, SB In a limpfest, I tend to make up with small pairs, sutied connectors, broadway, raising monsters and folding junk, BB I allow a limpfest with hands up to 77, scs, weak broadway, and raise strong scs, 88+, in raised pots similar to early pos range, and just the sb limping I play HU button mode, ie raise any ace, suited king, J9+, 22+ etc.




I would imagine it's obvious that when I limp pp's, I'm set mining, so stack sizes are crucial here, I'm looking for fish yet to act, raiser or limper to have 100bb or more, in which case I'm willing to play my hand for up to 10bb pre flop. Basically if the implied odds are definitely less than 100bb then I will fold small pairs and raise the rest.

Table dynamics, stacks, pos of fish etc, these all play a role and so the above strategy isn't always going to hold true, but it's a reasonable assessment as a whole I think. It's more or less how I run at 22/9.

Tear me to pieces!

Originally Posted by OngBonga

OK, I need to know really where I'm going wrong, so I'll share my pre flop range for you all to comment on...

Limits 2nl, usually 8+ players, rarely less than 5, looseish table (if it's too tight I'll move), average of 2 outright fish per table while the rest are either poor or average, with the occasional good player. I consider myself average, which is better than 90% of the average table!

Early (UTG -UTG+2), *I limp 22-TT AJs AQ, raise AQs+ AK JJ+, fold the rest.

Middle (UTG+3, +4) No limps - I limp 22-66 A2s -A9s 67+, Raise 77+ ATs+ AJ+, fold the rest.
Limp(s) - Roughly same as early
Raise - Call 22-JJ, raise QQ+ AK, fold the rest (I'll adjust if a fish raises)

Late (HJ- BU) No limps - I raise 22+, A2s+, 56s+, AT+, suited broadway, fold the rest (button I'll raise ace rag off suit if it's folded around to me).
Limps - same as no limps, just bigger raise
Raise - Call 22-TT AQs, raise JJ+ AK, fold the rest.

Blinds, SB In a limpfest, I tend to make up with small pairs, sutied connectors, broadway, raising monsters and folding junk, BB I allow a limpfest with hands up to 77, scs, weak broadway, and raise strong scs, 88+, in raised pots similar to early pos range, and just the sb limping I play HU button mode, ie raise any ace, suited king, J9+, 22+ etc.




I would imagine it's obvious that when I limp pp's, I'm set mining, so stack sizes are crucial here, I'm looking for fish yet to act, raiser or limper to have 100bb or more, in which case I'm willing to play my hand for up to 10bb pre flop. Basically if the implied odds are definitely less than 100bb then I will fold small pairs and raise the rest.

Table dynamics, stacks, pos of fish etc, these all play a role and so the above strategy isn't always going to hold true, but it's a reasonable assessment as a whole I think. It's more or less how I run at 22/9.

Tear me to pieces!

* I'm no expert but I can tell it don't take no expert for this. Now you state you are set mining right. Well actually your not just set mining but hoping to either steal or defend as well. If you look at how often ppl are folding it's high like in the 70-80% so you can pick up a lot of moneys when ppl just fold to your standard raise with pp's. If you get called fine so be it. And when you get raised then you have to consider if there is enough money behind to make it worthwhile and is the villain likely to put it in. I go by the 15x rule myself which I picked up by watching a video by jyms. So if I'm raised I and villain have to have at least 15 times the amount of what I have to call in order for me to proceed.
Also when you do hit your set's you now have to get as much money into the pot as possible. By limping your making that more difficult as you are starting off with a smaller pot. Then there are the select times you don't hit your set but a C-bet may take it down as well, this is conditional but should be in your tool box.

Blinds, SB In a limpfest

I would consider this more of a TARDFEST and would not take pride in participation if you know what I mean. We don't strive to play at their level but a level or two or three or more ahead of them. A nice standard raise of 4xbb +1 for each of the tards will take down a shit ton of moniez!

Hope this helps and more so I hope others will help explain this better as I am sure I haven't done the best job. I know I have only skimmed the surface of the topic actually.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Early (UTG -UTG+2), I limp 22-TT AJs AQ, raise AQs+ AK JJ+, fold the rest.

Middle (UTG+3, +4) No limps - I limp 22-66 A2s -A9s 67+, Raise 77+ ATs+ AJ+, fold the rest.
Limp(s) - Roughly same as early
Raise - Call 22-JJ, raise QQ+ AK, fold the rest (I'll adjust if a fish raises)

Late (HJ- BU) No limps - I raise 22+, A2s+, 56s+, AT+, suited broadway, fold the rest (button I'll raise ace rag off suit if it's folded around to me).
Limps - same as no limps, just bigger raise
Raise - Call 22-TT AQs, raise JJ+ AK, fold the rest.

Blinds, SB In a limpfest, I tend to make up with small pairs, sutied connectors, broadway, raising monsters and folding junk, BB I allow a limpfest with hands up to 77, scs, weak broadway, and raise strong scs, 88+, in raised pots similar to early pos range, and just the sb limping I play HU button mode, ie raise any ace, suited king, J9+, 22+ etc.

I would say that the whole of the above is where you are going wrong.

What I've learnt recently is that you shouldn't have any standard moves or ranges as such, but rather play as loose as you can get away with against any given villain.

So for example rather than having a specific range that you either open raise or limp from the button, you should be looking at the villains in the blinds, figuring out how to exploit them and playing accordingly.

eg if they fold far too much, you can raise ATC until they adjust (if they are even paying attention), if they call too much and fold to cbets too much then plan to exploit that.

I think playing with this in the back of your mind, even if you play terrible for a while, is a better way to learn that just having given ranges for given positions. Figure out how to exploit as many mistakes that people make as possible, then look for people making those mistakes and you will be winning a shitload in no time. I appreciate that this probably isn't as easy as it sounds, but I think it's a better approach.