Passive with Big pairs

Originally Posted by littleogre

Calling down is really bad. in hand 1. Your better of folding or raising.

So Fold > Call?

Originally Posted by Fnord

So Fold > Call?

In hand 1 yes. You really need a strong read on villain in this spot. If he is the type to likely have a set or a flush when he raises i would call the flop then fold the turn. Clearly you are getting odds to call and chase your nut flush. However on the turn he bets to big for you to chase. If however you think he is capable of raising draws a lot on the flop then i see no reason not to raise. I'm not that great at reading aggr factor but a 3.8 is pretty passive? So he's likely to have a flush when he re raises you on the flop. It's an easy call though due to implied odds. If we add semi bluffs and hands like JJQQKK to his range then raising the turn or flop are both good. I'm open minded though and would like to hear a good argument for just calling down.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by littleogre

I'm open minded though and would like to hear a good argument for just calling down.

Because by calling I allow an aggro villain to keep his range as wide as possible which does two things. Acts as a bluff catcher with a redraw to the nuts, and value towns villain when he overplays his overpairs and Khx Qhx hands. fwiw I almost never put him on a flush here because I don't see him playing a non nut flush like this.