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    Default LAG Villain - A Correct Move?

    First off, I've been lurking for a week or so now, and this is my first post. I've been ingesting all of the information I can from FTR, and it's been delicious.

    Now, my dilemma. Looking back on this hand, I feel like the correct thing to do would have been to fold after he re-raised post flop. Table is playing loose. Villain showed to be LAG in the past, and the out-of-character instant post-flop raise sent off the bluff signal.


    [EDIT]: Ghetto hand due to restrictions for posting links[/EDIT]

    Hero[8d Qd]

    UTG: folds
    UTG+1: calls $0.02
    UTG+2: calls $0.02
    MID: calls $0.02
    Hero: calls $0.02
    CO: folds
    B: folds
    Villain: raises $0.08 to $0.10
    BB: folds
    UTG+1: folds
    UTG+2: calls $0.08
    MID: folds
    Hero: calls $0.08

    *** FLOP *** [2c 5c 8s]
    Villain: bets $0.22
    UTG+2: folds
    Hero: raises $0.28 to $0.50
    Villain: raises $1.96 to $2.46
    Hero: calls $1.69 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet ($0.27) returned to Villain

    *** TURN *** [2c 5c 8s] [8h]

    *** RIVER *** [2c 5c 8s 8h] [Jc]

    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Villain: shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Eights)
    Hero: shows [8d Qd] (three of a kind, Eights)
    Hero collected $4.54 from pot

    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $4.74 | Rake $0.20
    Board [2c 5c 8s 8h Jc]


    Was calling the re-raise the correct thing to do?
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    Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt
    Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.
    +1.

    Q-8s is not a hand you want to mess with against a raise. I realize it's suited, but you shouldn't even be limping with this hand in my opinion, because it sets you up for a decision when someone else raises behind you.

    Honestly, I don't know that I'm calling an all-in with a pair of 8s either. It worked out for you this time, but sometimes people raise with overpairs to the board.

    Lastly, since you're looking for critiques, your re-raise was poor. Villain raises to .22 and you re-raise to .50? Not nearly enough in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuuk2
    Quote Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt
    Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.
    +1.

    Q-8s is not a hand you want to mess with against a raise. I realize it's suited, but you shouldn't even be limping with this hand in my opinion, because it sets you up for a decision when someone else raises behind you.

    Honestly, I don't know that I'm calling an all-in with a pair of 8s either. It worked out for you this time, but sometimes people raise with overpairs to the board.

    Lastly, since you're looking for critiques, your re-raise was poor. Villain raises to .22 and you re-raise to .50? Not nearly enough in my opinion.
    I appreciate the comments, and especially the critique. I re-evaluated the way I raise people, and have been 1) losing FAR less to people chasing flushes/draws/aces and 2) making more money because of 1.

    Thanks
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    well, yeah, fold pre, but flop is the biggest leak.

    let's go with the assumption that villain IS a lagg. how do we exploit this with this hand (and with our range as a whole). what do lagg's do too much/what do they not do enough? what do they overvalue/what are they oblivious to? etc. think through these sort of things and figure out a logical course of action to take with your whole range that maximizes your exploitation of a loose aggressive player. ABCD theorem in the stickies can really help with this thought process
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuuk2
    Quote Originally Posted by Nutty McMutt
    Its 2nl, he's not a lagg. Fold Pre.
    +1.

    Q-8s is not a hand you want to mess with against a raise. I realize it's suited, but you shouldn't even be limping with this hand in my opinion, because it sets you up for a decision when someone else raises behind you.

    Honestly, I don't know that I'm calling an all-in with a pair of 8s either. It worked out for you this time, but sometimes people raise with overpairs to the board.

    Lastly, since you're looking for critiques, your re-raise was poor. Villain raises to .22 and you re-raise to .50? Not nearly enough in my opinion.
    Summed it up nicely.

    I really believe a lot of people calling OOP with hands like Q8s and then pushing/calling/reraising on a 8 high flop is just madness regardless of how aggressive people seem to be playing.

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