KK line chk

button is 29/19 over 21 silly aggro play
small blind is 11/10 over 211
Im pretty happy getting it in pre vs sb with his stack size. He should be wider than KK AA here. wanted to keep fish in cos stax to be had.
unfortunate but I think folding the flop is best, yeah?

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Stacks:
UTG ($13.60)
UTG+1 ($3.40)
kickass (MP1) ($10)
MP2 ($21.19)
CO ($10.87)
BTN ($27.85)
SB ($4.79)
BB ($4)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kickass is MP1
2 folds, kickass raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.20, 1 fold, kickass calls $0.90, BTN folds

Flop: ($2.80, 2 players)
SB bets $1.40, kickass folds

Final Pot: $4.20

SB wins $4.06 (net +$1.46)

BTN lost $0.30
kickass lost $1.20

SPR = 1.2 on the flop

it's always going in for me

Meh, I just get it in pre.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

Meh, I just get it in pre.

agreed.

I'd just get it in pf tbh. As played, he's continuing like his whole 3-betting range on that board (except maybe AA). I'm not folding to a half pot bet yet.

Consider if you flat what happens on the turn? What's he going to fire again with given that you raised in EP, flatted a 3-bet and called a bet on an A-high flop?

AK maybe some AQ and sets will bet again.
Weaker A's may c/c thinking your range has a lot of hands that arent folding that beat him.
What about hands you beat TT-QQ, maybe 88? Are they really firing a blank turn?

I think I'd call flop planning to check behind turn or fold and see what happens on river if you get there.

He's 11/10 I doubt very much he's creative/stupid enough to 3 bet light from the sb vs mp and fish, and I doubt he bets this flop with less than AK exactly and even that I think is stupid with these stacks. The guys a nit and he's obvious. Given that the button didn't come along I have to say I over estimated his fishy tendencies. Fps not getting it in pre prolly.

I think your right kickass, he's gonna have AK/AKs here, might as well dump it! Hows your progress on 10nl going?

Yea I forgot to mention it's obviously going in pre.

LOL at people saying fold the flop or call/fold...unbelievable.

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

Yea I forgot to mention it's obviously going in pre.

LOL at people saying fold the flop or call/fold...unbelievable.

Missed SBs stack. oops.

Originally Posted by kickass

He's 11/10 I doubt very much he's creative/stupid enough to 3 bet light from the sb vs mp and fish, and I doubt he bets this flop with less than AK exactly and even that I think is stupid with these stacks. The guys a nit and he's obvious. Given that the button didn't come along I have to say I over estimated his fishy tendencies. Fps not getting it in pre prolly.

I don't think this is true. Nit's do stupid shit when there's a fish in the pot. He may not even be thinking about your range and focusing solely on the fish or trying to iso him.

I think the question is how the aggro the fish has been vs sb. Is it possible sb has some tilt issues and has been getting pwned by this guy? This isn't as simple as this guy is a nit so I must be beat on the flop.

If he did hit an A or a set his sizing is terribad so maybe form a range with some draws and stove it to see how we're doing.

i dont know what draws he can have, KQhh meh? vs QQ+ AQ+ KQhh im 26% and i think thats optimistic range. I havent been at the table that long but I dont think he'd played a hand since I had been there, no reason to think he's getting out of line.
about pre, what would you do with AA?

I refuse to believe he has exactly one hand after 1 streets cbet.

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

I refuse to believe he has exactly one hand after 1 streets cbet.

ok so whats his range, you fink its a bwuff?

This hand is really easy when you get it in pre

Its also really easy when you have an idea of what villain's 3bet range is. If he can have QQ, then we're not folding and its a question of liking 'shoving flop' or 'getting it in on the turn' more.

I think he can have qq and i like the latter line. So call flop, then call-all-in/shove turn.

Originally Posted by kickass

ok so whats his range, you fink its a bwuff?

Why have you ruled out QQ, JJ? 11/10 is nitty w/e but it's also ultra agro. You have to 3bet a lot of your range to have such a close gap between the two stats. This convinces me he's capable of 3betting worse than us pf.

Now your point, even though he's potentially 3betting too much, is that betting out on this flop means he has exactly AK. Like he knows, even though he's too nitty/aggro, that betting QQ or JJ turns his hand into a bluff.

I has the initiative and I reps the A. You rule that out completely? Please give something more specific as a read other than he's 11/10

I'd 4bet him all in considering he has 25% of his stack committed so i can't see him folding and you want a call. The only hand beating you is AA here so your ahead of his range. I think trying to keep the BTN in here is a mistake as you will be playing OOP and your equity decreases against an extra opponent, 4bet and get it in to isolate the SB who pretty much has to call.

just chked this guys stats again and his 3 bet % is 13 fucking lol all day at folding this flop, I dont know. looks like you is right mr gingerwizard very very right. thanks all.

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great thread

man do I feel sheepish

Still not convinced shoving flop is best. Shorty may be committed, but does he know that? If there is a chance he folds QQ, JJ to a shove, surely flatting is better? If he never folds those hands, OK

i don't like preflop

can someone explain to me the bandwagon of shipping it pre? i see a lot of merit in calling

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

can someone explain to me the bandwagon of shipping it pre? i see a lot of merit in calling

Like?

Originally Posted by Huey_Freeman

Like?

button is 29/19 over 21 silly aggro play
BTN ($27.85)
SB ($4.79)

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

can someone explain to me the bandwagon of shipping it pre? i see a lot of merit in calling

sb isn't folding AQ/JJ
button isn't necessarily maniac cos 29-19 is over tiny sample, if he's as fish as we hope then he can call the 4b too.

i was just thinking that btn would call a lot more if we flat instead of shove, but i guess we probably don't get that much value from that part of his range post flop anyway