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    Default KK @ 5nl

    This hand gave me a lot of trouble, comments on all streets appreciated. Villain was 13/8 over 85 hands, with a 3.0% 3 bet.

    His preflop calling range might be wider here, due to it being bvb.

    The flop donk bet is arg, but he can do this with sets + JJ+, maybe an AKs, I don't know I am bit lost. I think raising will leave me against JJ+ sets and not enough combos of draws to make stacking off here profitable.


    The turn further strength his range, I think I need to seriously consider folding here. because I can't think of anything I beat (QQ and TT??) thats about it.






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    saw flop

    UTG+1 ($1.70)
    MP1 ($13.62)
    MP2 ($1.48)
    CO ($4.83)
    Button ($3.79)
    SB ($12.59)
    Hero (BB) ($5.07)
    UTG ($4.90)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
    6 folds, SB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.35

    Flop: ($1) 8, 4, 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

    Turn: ($2.40) J (2 players)
    SB bets $1.50.....

  2. #2
    please dont fold....

    you missed the easiest flop value raise where hes probably calling/(mabye)stacking off with 99+ and Ahxh, 88 is the only really likely set combo.

    also fwiw donks like this are usually air, infact id probably put him on the Ahx so the only reason i would flat the flop is if i thought he would keep donking into me, which he has done here on the turn. Either way i think on the turn you have to call, i may raise even, idk id be interested to hear what some better people think.
  3. #3
    not folding
  4. #4
    Raise flop hard. I can't see what better hands we get to fold by raising the turn now, if he has set he can afford to gamble. Maybe 2pr folds, but how many 2pr combos are in his range? Certainly weaker hands fold except maybe QQ w/heart or Ah maybe. Idk, the flop call is so bad imo that I don't know what to do now on the turn, we haven't narrowed his range. I'm probably calling down unless another heart comes down, but I'd be much happier if I'd stacked off on the flop when we're way ahead of his range.
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    ongies gonna ong
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    Raise flop and avoid this spot
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    raise flop and commit if he shoves?
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    What happens to his range when we raise flop guys?

    When a 13/8 donk leads in this spot he either has a set, aces, or is spazzing out.

    I'd just call call call.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    What happens to his range when we raise flop guys?

    When a 13/8 donk leads in this spot he either has a set, aces, or is spazzing out.

    I'd just call call call.
    +3459346

    He also easily has QQ in his range
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
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    Alright well let the flame commence. I called turn fold river shove, while getting 3:1.
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    Lol @ commiting more than half your stack then folding when the board didn't 4 flush. (did it?)

    SPRRRRRRRR
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro View Post
    What happens to his range when we raise flop guys?

    When a 13/8 donk leads in this spot he either has a set, aces, or is spazzing out.

    I'd just call call call.
    Just curious, how much is calling down going to cost us, as opposed a raise fold line on the flop? When we raise the flop, there's tons of worse hands than ours that he can continue with. If he has set or aces, then he's likely raising our flop raise, especially if he puts us on a big pair. I can fold to this, but if he calls then we can give him a bunch of hands we crush, and we can reassess the turn. I don't like the turn much because obviously a lot of those hands that we were beating are now crushing us, but that doesn't change the fact that we should raise this flop for value against Ah8, 99-QQ and all those flush draws. He'll tell us on this flop if he has a set or aces.
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    ongies gonna ong
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    Minraise flop, make him tilt.
    The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Minraise flop, make him tilt.


    Ha ha, lol....Thats so true. Mini raises send me nuts

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