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    So will doing what I said make me better, even if it doesn't fix a line?
    "Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    ...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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    There's an interesting semi-recent post, *CotW: The Last Red Line Post Ever*, that discusses the red line and some real playing concepts to consider while you're at the tables or reflecting. One interesting point is that the blinds appear to have a major roll in the overall value of the red line.

    I personally think the red line is more of a function of your playing style and table selection than it is directly attributable to leaks. I think you'd be hard pressed at any level to spend any time caring what it looks like, let alone the micros where GENERALLY taking donkeys to value town is the hallmark of winning and NOT trying to get players to fold. Here's a graph of someone who "fixed" their red line:



    Notice where the blue line went. Maybe for THIS player it was the right move to help the green line and complements his or her style, or maybe they would have been better off doing something that skyrocketed the blue line and left the red line in the dust. Again, it's complicated and no generalities apply.

    I think a LOT of successful players with decent win-rates have badly down-sloped red lines. I haven't looked at my red line in a good while, but I'm pretty sure I'm one of them. The reason is I play a style some might consider laggy for winning FR play plus I table select like a language so I'm always trying to get on tables with a couple of calling stations, a maniac, and some random who just deposited for the first time. I don't want to fold these players out and make my red line look pretty. I want play speculative hands in position, FOLD when I miss, and get their stack when I don't -> red line down, blue line WAY up, and green line very nice

    If I sat with a bunch of nitty regs all day, I'd probably spend a lot more time trying to steal and being an aggressive bully when the situation was favorable and have a prettier red line to show for, but less profits, too, I would imagine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    -Not bloating pots that I'll fold on a later street (cbet/check/fold)
    You can't look into your crystal ball and know when you'll fold on a later street. If you knew you were going to fold a hand, just do it pre-flop But, knowing generally what pots need to be bloated pre-flop and which ones don't is a good start. Typically weaker players you should try to keep the pot smaller if you think you can make it bigger whenever you want with the obvious exception being AA/KK if they will call you. I like to bloat pots with big hands where I can and create an optima stack to pot ratio but keep it smaller if it's multi-way with smaller pocket pairs and suited connectors - especially if I'm out of position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    -Calling less and betting/raising more(b/f > c/c)
    Generally true because you will fold out more villain hands and thus win without a showdown. But, would you want to do that against a 50% VPIP 45% SD who keeps betting into you and you have a set?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    -Folding a decent hand for one small bet (I think Fnord mentioned this somewhere)
    Technically, folding won't help either red or blue line since you can't win but I think if you're folding too much in general, your red line will suffer.
    - Jason

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    Ran decent until the last week. Probably because I am experimenting with transitioning into LAG play. You can probably tell where by the red line.

    Ran just under 3PTBB 24-tabling 25NL for the month.

    Cash winnings: $1,195.60
    SNG/MTT winnings: $0
    Rakeback: $253.58 FPP value (7,924.38VPPs * 2.0 FPPs/VPP * 1.6c/FPP)
    Stellar Rewards- $50x2= $100
    Hours played|$/hr: 62.08| $24.95/hr
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    $1,549.18 profit

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