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    Default JJ facing turn shove

    The guy we're playing against is 59/31 over 51 hands, my notes on him consist of "station" and "monkey" so you get the picture. Flop bet is too small.

    He took about 1-2 seconds on the turn then shoved.

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    MP ($13.55)
    CO ($45.26)
    Button ($23.70)
    SB ($21.19)
    Hero (BB) ($30.78)
    UTG ($25)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
    3 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1

    Flop: ($2.60) 10, 2, 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.75, Button calls $1.75

    Turn: ($6.10) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $4, Button raises to $20.70 (All-In), Hero beats him to the pot???
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    it's kinda gross but if he's raising 31% of hands then Ax is probably a good part of his raising range. So bluffs could be a big part of his range making this a call.

    Tough one though. I 'd like to see him bluff like this in another hand before I snap this off.
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    turn value seems pretty thin...
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    Think the turn bets totally fine vs a station/monkey. He'll call with any pair or draw most likely and he prolly has all kinds of random pairs and air when he flats the flop. Unless you've seen him be this spazzified before with air I'd never call this jam. Just way too likely he's made top pair and is just jamming with all the Ax in his range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    Think the turn bets totally fine vs a station/monkey. He'll call with any pair or draw most likely and he prolly has all kinds of random pairs and air when he flats the flop.
    not heaps of draws after that flop, turn even a bad station can find a fold when an ace comes and he faces a 2nd barrel? like, this is the best card to bluff on the turn right? cos he folds so often?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters View Post
    Unless you've seen him be this spazzified before with air I'd never call this jam. Just way too likely he's made top pair and is just jamming with all the Ax in his range.
    agree completely
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    Since he will definitely call any Ax pre and never fold AJ+ to a single bet, I think the turn is a pretty trivial fold unless something tells you otherwise.
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    generally when massive stations start getting aggro, it means they have a hand. Not sure what we're ahead of except 98hh? Tx turned into a bluff?
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    turn value seems pretty thin...
    Maybe a bit, but this guy is calling 98 again + gutters that now have hearts and given what I'd seen he's not folding most Tx. I guess we could check/decide though that seems like we'd be guessing a lot.

    generally when massive stations start getting aggro, it means they have a hand. Not sure what we're ahead of except 98hh? Tx turned into a bluff?
    He wasn't a complete station, I'd just seem him make a couple of very bad calls postflop. But I think I gave him way too many bluff combo's without more history.

    Since he will definitely call any Ax pre and never fold AJ+ to a single bet, I think the turn is a pretty trivial fold unless something tells you otherwise.
    Yeah I didn't give him that many combos of Ax that floated, though I think he raises AJ+ pre.

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