I wasn't expecting such a spirited discussion. I was mearly trying to lighten the mood with maybe something other than a bad beat story. I just found it funny the way this hand played out. With the four tables I've been playing the last four or five times, things like this are happening alot. Yes, I know I could have lost, but I didn't. Between guys not knowing what the nuts are in a given hand and thinking that pairing up a K in a Kx hand is worth dollar bets ++ on the river with 2 aces on board, I was going a little crazy not having someone to show and tell. Friday and Saturday nights are insane with people buying in with $3.50 @10NL or people chasing double gutshots and paying through the nose. Even at 25NL it's just as bad. I tried one table for two hours, but without the BR I couldn't call or raise alot of the stupid bets for fear of losing. I just wanted to see if the reg. 25NL has the same sort of players as the beginner tables 10NL and 5NL because4 after some time you can't play them any more. Also does anyone know a good hand converter because these two hands that I tried from party both had problems on FTR's and bad beats. I use the hotmail email as well. Could it be the way I cut and paste or is it a setting that I'm missing?