Quote Originally Posted by magneticskull
Never Mind. This is making me visibly angry.
Because we have the nerve to disagree with you? That makes you angry?
Hmm.

Look, for all your analysis you've got to answer one, simple, two-part question. Firstly does anyone have a club higher than a 6? Secondly if anyone has it will they fold to a bet?

There are plenty of viable hands pre-flop because this is 10NL someone could have 7c2d. It's 10NL. There will be someone there who will play anything.
But let's assume that's not the case, there's plently of possible hands. 7c7x, TcTx, JcQx, JcKx, JcAx, QcJx, QcKx (QcAx might have raised pf, but again 10NL).

Now should one bet these hands? Sure, but will everyone do it? No way.
You get a passive player holding a TcTd and he may just be thinking "someone's got a better flush".

I don't believe you can be sure that no one has a better hand. Not at all. As I say, just statistically it's 75% that you're beaten. We can say we think it less likely because of their play, but it's not impossible, and hardly improbable.

Part two then is will they fold? Now here we've got a chance because if the Tc is playing passively they're probably scared of the Q and J. A bet may scare them off the pot. Our bluff works.

This MAY be a good bluff; personally I don't think so. It may buy you 50% of the split instead of 1/6th; but it will also often cost you your bet.

From the other side, how about the "donks" who folded? I don't think they can be criticised so heavily for folding to someone who could be sitting there holding TcTx.

Betting gains you information... Checking to the wachovia crowd gains you NO info.
You might as well walk away from the table, walk back into the casino and put a $5 bill into a slot machine and pull the lever like my mom.
Or, alternatively, play when you've got a better hand than your opponents. Not the equal worst hand (which if you're lucky happens to be the equal best hand).