bottom set deep vs aggro turn heat 25nl

Well I didn't mean to be mean, but he was rude to me :S There's no need to call me dumb, I mean, that doesn't help much and I can't learn too much from ''you're dumb''. I would be much more thankful if he tells me why I'm so wrong. That's all.

Originally Posted by lautaaaaaa

Well I didn't mean to be mean, but he was rude to me :S There's no need to call me dumb, I mean, that doesn't help much and I can't learn too much from ''you're dumb''. I would be much more thankful if he tells me why I'm so wrong. That's all.

Okay since you asked. Just because people rarely flop sets and flop sets even more rarely when we have a set(obviously). Telling yourself people almost never have a sets or w/e isn't the greatest way to go about playing a particular hand.

Example: A really a tight guy calls our EP raise in the BB(Range of say 88-QQ,AQs,AKs). Flops comes 7JQ he checks the flop, we bet our bottom set. This villain c/rs us. The board is super dry and this guy is always going to c/c 2nd pair and c/c top pairs, he folds to c-bets ~65% and c/rs ~5%. Okay so villain is going to have a set X% of the time right? No because this guy pretty much has a set VERy VERY often. Say 80% of the time.

In this example putting your villain on a range of hands pre-flop then giving up a flop range for c/cing, c/ring and c/fing. This tells us that we should fold our bottom set.(You are never going to run into villains THIS tight except someone like TripCCC(lol for the ppl who remember this guy). Anyways the point is if you were to use hey, nobody like ever flops a set as an excuse to stack off here. You would make a very VERY -eV play. It's better to analyze peoples ranges. Not random statistics like people flop flush draws X% or people flop 2pairs or sets X%.(Although these are useful if used correctly)

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

Okay since you asked. Just because people rarely flop sets and flop sets even more rarely when we have a set(obviously). Telling yourself people almost never have a sets or w/e isn't the greatest way to go about playing a particular hand.

Example: A really a tight guy calls our EP raise in the BB(Range of say 88-QQ,AQs,AKs). Flops comes 7JQ he checks the flop, we bet our bottom set. This villain c/rs us. The board is super dry and this guy is always going to c/c 2nd pair and c/c top pairs, he folds to c-bets ~65% and c/rs ~5%. Okay so villain is going to have a set X% of the time right? No because this guy pretty much has a set VERy VERY often. Say 80% of the time.

In this example putting your villain on a range of hands pre-flop then giving up a flop range for c/cing, c/ring and c/fing. This tells us that we should fold our bottom set.(You are never going to run into villains THIS tight except someone like TripCCC(lol for the ppl who remember this guy). Anyways the point is if you were to use hey, nobody like ever flops a set as an excuse to stack off here. You would make a very VERY -eV play. It's better to analyze peoples ranges. Not random statistics like people flop flush draws X% or people flop 2pairs or sets X%.(Although these are useful if used correctly)

Thank you for the explanation ! so u mean that against those kind of predictable players that only c/r with set+ is ok to fold a bottom set?