Bluffing whilst deep

4-bet or fold pre, this is a horrible hand to defend with these stack sizes.

If you do start betting here you defo need to fire a few times, you must have some idea what his c/c range is on the flop. For example is he a fishy type to be like "omg trips in 3 bet pot - SLOWPLAY or is he a reg who's like "shit deep 3 bet pot with AA on board where I might be beat, c/c station down! Or is he the type to not c bet much and give up lots postflop.

I'd assume he's not the latter without good reads to the contrary given he's aggro with 3 bets pre. I hate firing three vs anyone with Jx in their range here, I hate it vs guys who are stationing down good pairs so yeah I pretty much hate it vs anyone. Your river sizing is really bad unless you have a very specific read that A: He has very little Jx when he takes this line and B: a lot of his range is stuff like AA KK and you can make these fold with huge sizing but not otherwise.

Yeah, this is so needlessly spewy. You wanna be careful you don't become one of those regs that gets stuck at like 25NL because they wave their dick around all the time because ego.

Originally Posted by Carroters

4-bet or fold pre, this is a horrible hand to defend with these stack sizes.

If you do start betting here you defo need to fire a few times, you must have some idea what his c/c range is on the flop. For example is he a fishy type to be like "omg trips in 3 bet pot - SLOWPLAY or is he a reg who's like "shit deep 3 bet pot with AA on board where I might be beat, c/c station down! Or is he the type to not c bet much and give up lots postflop.

I'd assume he's not the latter without good reads to the contrary given he's aggro with 3 bets pre. I hate firing three vs anyone with Jx in their range here, I hate it vs guys who are stationing down good pairs so yeah I pretty much hate it vs anyone. Your river sizing is really bad unless you have a very specific read that A: He has very little Jx when he takes this line and B: a lot of his range is stuff like AA KK and you can make these fold with huge sizing but not otherwise.

Yeah, this is so needlessly spewy. You wanna be careful you don't become one of those regs that gets stuck at like 25NL because they wave their dick around all the time because ego.

I thought that his river range broke down like;

Quads

Jacks full

Possibly 6's full

Overpairs

Underpairs

A highs

He was definitely aware of how deep we were.

I definitely think he would c/c the flop and turn with a Jack most of the time but would he check the river? Why would he give me a chance to check behind when the pot is so large if he was holding the effective nuts?

I thought this guy was definitely capable of folding overpairs but i'd have to threaten his entire stack because he was desperate to see what i had. Also he time banked for like 20 secs after i shoved so i think if i bet any less i was getting snapped.

If villain could see my cards he would have called, so he played differently from the way he would have played if he could see my cards so i gained according to slansky's fundamental theory of poker.

Should i be thinking about this at all when i'm playing? I mean i'm sitting at the river with Ace high i can only win the pot by making my opponent fold and i think i can make him make a mistake by shoving that was basically the thought process.