Bet sizing question--drawing value from monster hands

What do you think happens if you bet ~$0.40 here?

I'd def. overbet this flop with KK+, but overpairs are more vulnerable.

This hand isn't really vulnerable, but any club, A,K, or T is going to either scare Villain or improve him. If it scares him, then he might stop putting chips in.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

What do you think happens if you bet ~$0.40 here?

I'd def. overbet this flop with KK+, but overpairs are more vulnerable.

You're gravely misunderstanding some basic concepts here. You are MUCH better off overbetting it with 55 than you are with KK+.

With 55, you have damned near the effective nuts, so you want to focus on the strong part of their range and stacking them off; with KK, facing a stronger range increases the amount you're value owning yourself and decreases the amount your value towning villain. Overbetting also makes villain's raising range stronger, which is fine with 55 because, again, we practically have the effective nuts and are never folding, but with KK, we put ourselves in a tough spot if their raising range is nothing but TPTK+ and strong draws.

Also you're incorrect to think that KK is more vulnerable than 55. A and T certainly suck more for KK than they do for 55, and we still have redraw outs against flushes with 55, but villain has better implied odds to c/c a 3/4 PSB on the flop against our nut range than he does against a hand that will b/f without much thought on a scary turn.

This is why the basic, oversimplified rule of thumb of bet larger with your best hands, and bet smaller with your more marginal hands holds up so often. It's VERY far from always true, but the fact that the math is heavily handicapped by the fact that the nuts like to face stronger calling ranges, stronger raising ranges and are more concerned with reducing implied odds than you do with good-but-not-nutted-hands makes it so that it holds up kind of often.