Am i missing value here?

ok, you need a much better reason to raise the turn than "see what villain does"

Originally Posted by d0zer

ok, you need a much better reason to raise the turn than "see what villain does"

I agree, and I stated a number of reasons: TPTK, NFD, no notes on this villain, and a weak line that almost always will mean next time what it means this time.

@ Icanhastreebet: I grant you that I was being hyperbolic when I threw in the "complete retard" part. A POB, again, usually indicates weak and scared, and hoping to take it down with little risk (enough reason to raise regardless of my cards if it's the right read). The bet is so small that w/o a specific read that says Villain does this with strong made hands, a ton of hands are priced in to call.

On the turn here, w/ almost 6:1 pot odds, we're priced in to call if we are behind, but have 7 clean outs. With TPTK and 9 clean outs (the only spade that pairs the board is in our hand), this is a fun spot to punish the POB with a pot-sized raise.

raise turn

This is very much "it depends" on the opponent, board texture, etc. If you're dealing with someone who plays too many pots passively, then it shouldn't take more than an orbit or two to get a good feel for what's he's up to.

USUALLY it's an attempt at pot control with a weak hand or draw.

SOMETIMES it's a value bet with a very strong hand to attempt to at worst get a call, at best induce a raise.

Given how that the turn completed the flopped flush draw, there is often merit to calling to see a river card + action. However, with the nut flush re-draw, our hand is probably too good to not put in a small raise for value (a little less than a buck or so.)

As played on the river we figure to be good too often and his play is pretty sketchy so it's a pretty clear raise for value even though you'll feel stupid and see the flush sometimes. You'll also feel smart and get called by T9 sometimes...