AKo unimproved ip vs an 80/10

villain is 80/10 over 35, but also makes what seem to be spewy steal the pot kind bets. Theyve worked so far and i havnt seen him show down much - he can fold if the pot starts getting big.

CO ($10.32)
Button ($10.05)
SB ($11.79)
BB ($16.42)
UTG ($8.70)
Hero (UTG+1) ($10)
MP1 ($4.97)
MP2 ($8.90)
MP3 ($11.63)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 6 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 8, 7, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.85) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($1.65) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.65 | Rake: $0.08

I planned on folding to a river barrel.

Is my turn call silly? Turn did make a lot o draws which makes me lean more toward fold now but what about if it was a blank like 2h?

edit: at the time i still put him on a v wide range at turn, presuming he'd make a stab at the pot with air since i'd not cbet the flop..is this dumb?

Preflop and flop are good. That's a great flop not to c-bet. Probably I'd fold the turn, but I don't hate the call. Your hand against this villain is a very weak bluff-catcher so calling one half-pot bet is fine.

I would consider cbeting. He has enough weaker aces + draws that might make it +ev

I really don't like checking the flop and betting the turn. I'm guessing that your image is pretty tight so opening from UTG+1 your range is pretty small. What are you repping by checking the flop and betting the turn? An over pair and a suited broadway would 2barrel. On this horribly wet flop i would c/f, anything dryer and i would 2barrel given your read on him.

Fish can't read so don't worry about what u rap

Originally Posted by !Luck

Fish can't read so don't worry about what u rap

A huge assumption and erroneous imo. They may not recognise a set when a nit limp/call OOP PF, c/c the flop and then c/r the turn but if they can find a fold then they can read, albeit at a rudimentary level.

Originally Posted by mbiz

he can fold if the pot starts getting big.

Hero states villain can fold if pot starts getting big, i.e. can fold if Hero shows strength and villain knows he is holding air. As played hero takes a weak line leading out from UTG+1 and then checking the flop, showing no strength at all. Any fish that can solve 1 + 1 = x will recognise this.

Thinking about this more the only credible line i think we can take if we are checking the flop is to rep the flush/boat by firing a psb on the river, which would be bad, seeing as the board hits villains range. So, if we aren't going to rep strong then c/f.

easy... dont try to bluff a fish, they will call to the river and beyond and you will often lose to a dumb hand.... just let it go, you lose opening raise and that all.... what the big deal? any try to bluff a fish or a jackass is -EV and its not worth it. let him go in and win the opening raises and fck him hard when you hit and trust me it will happen.

This is the absolute worst possible board to cbet ever. Fold the turn and the hand is played fine. Trust me, you'll get plenty more AK hands in your poker career you don't need to win every single one, especially when the pot is so small and you have almost no equity.

This AK should be in our checking range on the flop. With as loose as this guy is, c-betting is probably close in terms of absolute EV, but checking is so sweet because of all of the implied odds we have on hitting an A or K turn with such a loose/passive opponent. Checking is definitely much better than c-betting here.

Your range is probably something like {AQo+, AJs+, KQs, 55+} or so, and of that you'll be value betting *at least* as low as 99 against this guy (maybe even 66). That's something like 45-51 combinations you'll be value betting, then probably "semi-bluffing" the AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, and KsQs (I put semi-bluffing in quotes since we're slightly ahead of most 1-pair hands), and that looks about right for exploiting this player pretty hard in this situation.

I'm not sure why we're calling the turn since we probably wouldn't have the equity to call if it was an all-in and there's no way we're going to benefit from future betting.

I don't mind the turn call, Villain is obviously calling wide pre flop, and is probably firing his entire range at the turn after we check.

I just gave villain a pf calling range of...
22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,92s+,82s+,72s+,62s+,5 2s+,42s+,32s,A2o+,K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o
(any pair, any broadway, any suited, any ace and some connected and Kx junk, just over 50% of hands)
and stoved this against our hand.
We have 31% equity against this range with 1:3 pot odds and implied odds of hitting our A/K, plus we can rep the nut spade if it falls if we think he can b/f a junk spade.
Calling seems to me slightly +ev, while folding is obv 0ev.

teerible board to cbet check/fold all streets unless its checked down to the river and he stabs..then I might be tempted to call on a paired board like this.

flop good, fold turn. I wouldn't expect villain to bet draws and air until proven otherwise. You said he seems kind of spewy post flop, but hasn't shown down much. But you can't really have much of a sample that supports that. He might just have had a decent run. Plus he can show up with 22-44, 45... etc. and you can get in really sticky spots when he c/raises or overbets on A,K rivers.

I think a common tendency by semi-competents (aka you) and mega feeesh is that they feel entitled to the fishe's money because... well, he's a fish. so you should win the pot, right? It's absolutely ok to just give up with the bottom of your range. By calling him light you run at risk of making his strategy more correct.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

and is probably firing his entire range at the turn after we check

Loose/passives aren't playing anything like you're describing here. There's no way he's firing his entire range or close to it.

Also, if his range is going to be so weak after we call on the turn, then we don't have strong implied odds like you suggest.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Loose/passives aren't playing anything like you're describing here. There's no way he's firing his entire range or close to it.

Also, if his range is going to be so weak after we call on the turn, then we don't have strong implied odds like you suggest.

Ok. I figure he's a donk and could fire the turn with, idk 34o or 22, and call a river bet with the deuces. But you're definitely right about the passive part. Passive donks can still find bluffs, but yeah not nearly his whole range. I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Ok. I figure he's a donk and could fire the turn with, idk 34o or 22, and call a river bet with the deuces. But you're definitely right about the passive part. Passive donks can still find bluffs, but yeah not nearly his whole range. I stand corrected.

If he was shown to be fairly aggressive then you're totally right, but someone with 80/10 type stats are almost always super passive post-flop, so we have to assume he's pretty passive until we're shown otherwise.

turn call is bad. keep in mind you have another street of betting to deal with.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

turn call is bad. keep in mind you have another street of betting to deal with.

But we're planning on folding the river!!!!1!1!!!cos(0)!!111oneone

icwatudidthere.....fuckin math jokes

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

But we're planning on folding the river!!!!1!1!!!cos(0)!!111oneone

good to see the BC moderator give shit to BC noobs - makes a lot of sense

Yes, it was very mean of me to give shit to m2m, and I apologize.

Originally Posted by oskar

flop good, fold turn.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

turn call is bad. keep in mind you have another street of betting to deal with.

yep

sry spoon i misinterpreted then. ok turn call = bad, this make sense. glad i posted it though - thanks all