AK against maniac w/ good draws ($4NL micros)

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

Just curious. What would bet size be BB vs SB?

3x again, as you're IP in this situation.

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

3x again, as you're IP in this situation.

And you think something like 3-3.5x is appropriate for raise sizes when your opp in the blinds (and assuming you're not playing against a total maniacs idiot)?

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

And you think something like 3-3.5x is appropriate for raise sizes when your opp in the blinds (and assuming you're not playing against a total maniacs idiot)?

@ bold: I assume you meant OOP (Out Of Position) and not opp (opponent)

In the case of BB vs SB, Hero is not OOP; Hero has position in the BB, and is defending against a steal (if no one else is in the hand, it was folded to SB. If we're talking about 3-bet sizing, then SB opened when folded to.)

You seem to be thinking that it was SB vs BB, in which case it would be Hero in the SB, and OOP in the hand. Since we're talking 3-bet sizing, it means Hero limped SB when folded to, BB opened, and now Hero is considering how much to limp-raise from SB.

When you state the positions in the match up, always put Hero's position first.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@ bold: I assume you meant OOP (Out Of Position) and not opp (opponent)

Yikes, your are correct. I mean OOP.

In the case of BB vs SB, Hero is not OOP; Hero has position in the BB, and is defending against a steal (if no one else is in the hand, it was folded to SB. If we're talking about 3-bet sizing, then SB opened when folded to.)

You seem to be thinking that it was SB vs BB, in which case it would be Hero in the SB, and OOP in the hand. Since we're talking 3-bet sizing, it means Hero limped SB when folded to, BB opened, and now Hero is considering how much to limp-raise from SB.

When you state the positions in the match up, always put Hero's position first.

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I do understand the positional difference, but I I guess meant to ask a slightly different question:

If you're saying something like a 3x raise amount is appropriate for a situation when you're IP (like BB vs SB, or maybe Btn vs CO), what raise amount is good when your OOP in the blinds facing a raise from a non-maniac who will be in position on folp. Let's assume a fairly straightforward player w/ no reads. Thanks.

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

If you're saying something like a 3x raise amount is appropriate for a situation when you're IP (like BB vs SB, or maybe Btn vs CO), what raise amount is good when your OOP in the blinds facing a raise from a non-maniac who will be in position on folp. Let's assume a fairly straightforward player w/ no reads. Thanks.

i think rpm already answered that; "standard" line is to 3x IP, but to go larger OOP (usually 3.5x) to charge a premium for Villain to continue.

but 3Betting is far more situation-and-player dependent than "3x IP, 3.5x OOP".

crude example - if you're 3Betting for value against someone you know will call a 5x raise, then why wouldn't you 5x?

If you are 3Bet-Bluffing someone who will fold to 100% of 3Bets, then you could just min-raise and get the same result for less risk