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You got $0.68 to $0.20 which is just under 3.5 to 1 pot odds to call the flop bet, so to see one card that's not quite enough odds but still, it's not a bad call especially in a multi-way pot where someone else might make a good hand that will pay you off.
As it was, the other callers behind you made your odds for you, but you can't rely on them calling, and they may even have raised and pushed you out of the pot, but still, it's a much better play than the other flush draw you posted.
The turn bet, you had more than enough odds to call - the pot was $1.53 when you called $0.25 into it so you got over 6 to 1, when the odds of making your flush on the river were 4 to 1.
It's good that you called only with correct odds this time!
You do need to consider when making this kind of call whether it might get raised behind you, pricing your odds out and meaning the call was not good. This is the danger of having the original raiser sat to your right - if he bets as he is normally quite likely to, you will have to call or raise without knowing what will happen when the action gets to anyone else in the pot.
As it was you ended up paying $0.80 on the turn to keep your equity in a $3.68 pot, and given that your chance of drawing to the nuts (barring the smallish probability that you hit a club which also pairs the board and gives someone with a set a full house) here is 19% your equity was 0.19*$3.68=$0.70 so you ended up overpaying a bit, so your EV here is -$0.10, so had you been able to know that someone behind you would raise (or estimate a high enough probability of that happening) then you would be correct to fold UNLESS you could also count on other callers calling that raise to make the pot big enough to pay correct odds. That actually happened, so it worked out OK odds wise (or close to, which is much better than the other hand you posted).
However, you didn't pay 80c into this pot - you paid $0.55 to stay in when the action came back around to you, which is 6 to 1 odds and a definite call.
Each call in isolation was a good one and +EV, it's just that things can be more complicated than that in a multi-way pot where you have people left to act after you.
Your opponent made a mistake by allowing you to draw with correct odds. You played correctly.
Well done.
Ps. as for raising pre, it's difficult to say.
You might have:
a. taken the pot down right there
b. got called by the original raiser, and seen the flop heads up. You'd have had position on him, and may well have been able to get him to fold AQ/AJ/AK etc. etc. post flop
c. got called by a bunch of people and ended up a bigger pot with a marginal hand
d. got 4bet and had to fold pre flop
e. got called by someone behind you and been out of position in a bigger pot with a marginal hand
It all depends on reads, table dynamics and so on. The only way you can find out is to try sometime - don't go crazy and start playing loose maniac, but with a hand like this with reasonable equity against your opponents range (assuming he's not crazy tight), OCCASIONALLY 3bet a little light when you're in late position and there's one raiser in front of you and no callers, then use your positional advantage post flop to push him off unless you think he has a good chance of having a hand that won't fold. How do you know if that's the case? You have to know your villain, take into account the flop texture, the stack sizes, what he thinks you play like and so forth. You're only going to learn by falling on your ass a good few times, and 4NL is the place to do it.
Just do it VERY sparingly at first, please, since I don't want to encourage you to start playing loose, but you can only learn by doing. Perhaps a good way to do so would be to allocate 1 buyin every now and then to trying a light 3bet or audacious bluff when you think it's a good spot to do so - call it $4 spent to learn something new, then post those hands, just set the money specifically aside and try to be patient and wait for what seems like a prime opportunity to try a big bluff before you "spend" the money. And just because you allocate $4, doesn't actually mean you have to stack off in that hand, you might try a light 3bet, get called, cbet the flop, get raised and give up losing $1 or whatever. Read up on semi-bluffing, and try first with some drawing hands that have a chance to make the best hand as well as having equity in getting villain to fold.
As an example, to give you an idea of the kind of spot I'm suggesting you try this in, if you had reraised the posted hand preflop, got called and seen a 4flush, this would have been a good spot to try raising the flop for about a pot sized bet or even a little more at these stakes. That way, you'd have both a probability of them folding so you take the pot down right there, and if you do get called you have a chance to make the flush on the turn. Note that in this spot, if you did this then got raised back all in, you would have to have pot odds to call, since there would be no fold equity any more and your only chance to win would be to hit a card, but this would be a pretty good spot since not only would you have the flush draw, but your two overcards might also be good if you hit them if someone else has {77,88,99,TT} that they are willing to get all in with. If that was the case, you could hit any of 9 clubs, or the 6 other As and Js, so you'd have 15 cards out of 47 unseen that win the hand, meaning you have a 54% chance to hit by the river.
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