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    Min-raise into 3 Villains from the SB with a weak PP? If you're going to play 66 in this spot, why not a normal (pot-sized) opening bet here? It would allow you the chance of taking the pot down right here, it makes bluffing on later streets make more sense, and also allows you to get in more chippies when you DO hit your hand.

    Consider a raise to $0.20 - $0.25 pre-flop. Or fold the weak PP from bad position. I'm not saying you should fold 66; I'm saying make sure your SB range matches your own post flop strengths.

    Overbet the flop $0.50. On a board this wet in a multi-way pot, there's a good chance that 1 or more people have 8+ out hands. If Hero bets less than pot and one of the villains calls, the later villains are priced in. If Hero checks, Hero might give 3 villains a free card. Bet 150% of pot. Taking it down right here is fine on this board. If they flat-called a min-raise with KK or JJ facing a multi-way flop, then they are so bad that it's only a matter of time 'till Hero gets the chippies back. Other than that, Hero has the nuts and bets for value.

    @ 35/14, having limp-called UTG, Villain is probably on the top of their limping range. Turn makes a lot of pair and gut-shot / pair and OESD for that range. Of course, that range has a lot of suited Aces in it, too.

    When the Qc falls on the turn, that's one of the worst cards in the deck for Hero. Check/Call because a ton of villains' hands can make 2 pr here or floated the flop to bluff any scare card on the turn. Villain's re-raise to pot could mean just that. It could also mean he made his straight or flush and is V-towning Hero. However, Hero has 10 outs to beat any of those hands, which is ~3.5:1 to "suck-out". Villains stack is big enough to play implied odds on the river if Hero makes a boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    Or fold the weak PP from bad position.
    This is very very silly to even mention. The play he made is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding. I think the play he made is probably better then making it 20c actually.

    With that said, Limp. Easygame

    Oh and never fold this turn that's just silly. Don't shove either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    This is very very silly to even mention. The play he made is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding. I think the play he made is probably better then making it 20c actually.

    With that said, Limp. Easygame

    Oh and never fold this turn that's just silly. Don't shove either.
    treebet thanks for the advice.... I am trying to understand the reasoning. We call the turn b/c we still have outs against his nut hands and also is there a part of his range that we are still way ahead of even with this turn card? Is this the right way thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    treebet thanks for the advice.... I am trying to understand the reasoning. We call the turn b/c we still have outs against his nut hands and also is there a part of his range that we are still way ahead of even with this turn card? Is this the right way thinking?
    Basically your getting a pretty good price, about 3:1. Even versus a flush we have about 24% equity which is close to immediate odds. If the villain does have a hand this strong he's always going to pay us off on the river. If he doesn't have a hand this strong then we are ahead anyway!

    If villain wasn't this loose and passive I think checking the turn has some merit but I think betting in this case should be better.

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