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 Originally Posted by oskar
That is kind of my standard raise. I wouldn't like to bet 1/2 to 1/3 on a bluff, and then make a pot sized bet when I hit it.
Maybe I' m giving players at this level too much credit, but I notice stuff like that, and I play at this level, so...
Are you guys serious about folding pre- flop? In an MTT or SnG - of course! - but in a cash game with both players almost 200bb deep?
Last first - folding is a yes. People are quoting the implied odds of a super deep stack as reasons for calling and that is true.. as far as it goes. However, upon review that's not really a great thing. One of the things deep stacks do is make position even more important. If you had QTs instead of QTo I would call folding preferred - with QTo I'd almost call it mandatory. When the stacks are deep and you are out of position (and without the initiative) you are giving all the implied odds advantages to your opponent. If you had been in position in this hand - hugely different stance. But you're out of position and it's a huge deal.
Standard raise - ok. Think about it. Good old No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice harps on about that bluffs should be only big enough to get the folds you want so you don't lose too much money when called and that value bets should be as big as possible while still being called so you get maximum value. You are correct in saying that strict adherence to this principle is turning your cards face up and letting people play correctly against you. However, a fixed raise size has drawbacks also. There is a wealth of good articles (and also portions of books) on raise sizing, but here's something you may want to consider. Vary raise sizing based on the board texture. If there are many draws on the board make bigger bets (to give drawing hands even worse odds) and if the board is very dry maybe make smaller near 1/2 pot bets. Also vary bet/raise sizing based on stack sizes (especially when you want to get stacks all in - or want to leave the impression that you are trying to get stacks all in). Bet/raise sizing is not normally a huge deal at the lowest micro stakes, but I notice that small stakes players are talking about sizing bets and raises correctly as one of the tools they needed to start utilising correctly before they turned from breakeven to winning players.
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