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    Default 5NL FR flopped set 3way OOP

    UTG+1 is 14/12 over 44 hands, 100%cbet (3 hands), 5AF, 31%AggFreq
    CO is 16/5 over 37 hands, 4AF, 36% AggFreq

    I check with the intention of calling a bet, as the flop is relatively dry.

    After the flop action, I'd put UTG+1 on 99-QQ,AdKd,AdQd and CO on 99+,33,Ad9d+,KdJd+,QdJd... maybe more AdsXd.

    Not sure what's best after CO's raise. Get it in or flat? I would lean towards shoving, as CO is showing quite a lot of strength, but maybe flatting would give a chance to UTG+1 to do the shoving for me? There is also a non-zero chance that they both fold if I shove.

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    saw flop

    UTG+1 ($5.53)
    MP1 ($5.07)
    MP2 ($12.40)
    CO ($6.08)
    Button ($6.12)
    Hero (SB) ($5)
    BB ($5.18)
    UTG ($5)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 5
    1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.18, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.65) 9, 3, 5 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.65, CO raises to $1.50

    Hero?
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    Calling and having a diamond come on the turn would be a disaster since A) flushes were given a cheap card in a big pot, and B) now worse hands are going to be much less likely to get the rest of their stack in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spoonitnow View Post
    Calling and having a diamond come on the turn would be a disaster since A) flushes were given a cheap card in a big pot, and B) now worse hands are going to be much less likely to get the rest of their stack in.
    It's true. Would you also raise for the same reason if you were facing just a bet from UTG+1 or from CO?
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    Yea I like a shove here.

    You gave a CO range of 99+,33,Ad9d+,KdJd+,QdJd... maybe more AdsXd.

    First, I'm not sure he's going to raise TT and JJ on this flop, esp against a nittier player who prob doesn't call with much worse. Of course you don't know this for sure and he could be thinking "I want to raise now in case an overcard hits on turn/river" Second, he can't have Ad9d because the 9d is on the board. Otherwise I think your ranges are pretty good.
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    Shove sounds good. You got lucky they were both interested in the pot. Like spoon said you can't give a free card to the flush draw. A good rule of thumb is to never slow-play anything less than top set, and then only on a dry flop. I think carroter said in another thread that people's calling ranges are much wider than their betting ranges. You have to try and build a big pot. There's really no downside. If they fold, you weren't gonna get anything anyway, except maybe sucked out on.

    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    It's true. Would you also raise for the same reason if you were facing just a bet from UTG+1 or from CO?
    Yes, with a fd out there, they'd have to call to see the next card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    It's true. Would you also raise for the same reason if you were facing just a bet from UTG+1 or from CO?
    If UTG+1 checked and CO bet, or if UTG+1 bet and CO folded, I would raise with all of my sets. Against UTG+1's bet I'd want a strong range. Against CO's range, I would want a somewhat more balanced range that still leaned on the side of value that included hands like flush draws or backdoor draws.
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    I haven't read through other responses.

    I would shove here all day. My thought is both villains are fairly tight and have lots of over pairs as well as flush draws in their ranges so I would really want them to have to pay for the draws and I want their money for the QQ, KK etc.
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