2 hands vs the same dude

I'll try this using Phillys original range on villain since I believe that w/100% cbet we need to assume that villains range hasn't changed postflop.My reasoning is that out of 13 or 14 hands he's gotta be firing on air some of the time.Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Flop-

356,400 games 0.005 secs 71,280,000 games/sec
Board: 8s 5d 5s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.064% 54.27% 00.80% 193413 2835.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 44.936% 44.14% 00.80% 157317 2835.00 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

So yeah,raise.

Turn-

15,048 games 0.005 secs 3,009,600 games/sec
Board: 8s 5d 5s 9c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.595% 50.72% 00.88% 7632 132.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 48.405% 47.53% 00.88% 7152 132.00 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

We only need 27% equity here so w/51% I still think we shove.Again,please correct me if I'm wrong.

River-

The K changes things quite a bit but I don't think we should be here in the first place so as played...

300 games 0.005 secs 60,000 games/sec
Board: 8s 5d 5s 9c Kc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.000% 32.00% 01.00% 96 3.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 67.000% 66.00% 01.00% 198 3.00 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

If we only need 32% equity then we call.

I'll try the second hand later.

Originally Posted by supahaole

I'll try this using Phillys original range on villain since I believe that w/100% cbet we need to assume that villains range hasn't changed postflop.My reasoning is that out of 13 or 14 hands he's gotta be firing on air some of the time.Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Flop-

356,400 games 0.005 secs 71,280,000 games/sec
Board: 8s 5d 5s
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.064% 54.27% 00.80% 193413 2835.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 44.936% 44.14% 00.80% 157317 2835.00 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

So yeah,raise.

Turn-

15,048 games 0.005 secs 3,009,600 games/sec
Board: 8s 5d 5s 9c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.595% 50.72% 00.88% 7632 132.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 48.405% 47.53% 00.88% 7152 132.00 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

We only need 27% equity here so w/51% I still think we shove.Again,please correct me if I'm wrong.

River-

The K changes things quite a bit but I don't think we should be here in the first place so as played...

300 games 0.005 secs 60,000 games/sec
Board: 8s 5d 5s 9c Kc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.000% 32.00% 01.00% 96 3.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 67.000% 66.00% 01.00% 198 3.00 { 77+, AQs+, AKo }

If we only need 32% equity then we call.

I'll try the second hand later.

he is not firing his entire range on the turn...and either way you have to think of his calling range vs his betting range...he is firing his entire range on the flop true..if i raise he is probably only calling with sets overpairs and flushdraws a range against which i have only 25% equity...also on the river he is not shoving all of his AQ hands so we have a lot less equity than that.

Again,I'm trying to learn here so don't think that I'm trying to one up you.

If villain cbet 100% of the time on the flop with his entire range,why should we assume he's not double barreling his entire range.Do we have stats that show cbet turn %?

And if we raise the flop and he calls,doesn't that narrow his range down for us?Or is this just to expensive for us to be gaining information?

That said,doesn't our equity on the flop cover that expense and don't we have some kind of fold equity?

Discaimer: This is mostly based on concepts that I'm just beginning to figure out.

Originally Posted by supahaole

Again,I'm trying to learn here so don't think that I'm trying to one up you.

If villain cbet 100% of the time on the flop with his entire range,why should we assume he's not double barreling his entire range.Do we have stats that show cbet turn %?

And if we raise the flop and he calls,doesn't that narrow his range down for us?Or is this just to expensive for us to be gaining information?

That said,doesn't our equity on the flop cover that expense and don't we have some kind of fold equity?

Discaimer: This is mostly based on concepts that I'm just beginning to figure out.

ok here is the thing i want him to be 2 barrelling more of his crap, and he may be thats why i called the bet, but the second i narrow his range i am not getting any more value from his shit hands like TT, and overcards, i am only getting called by better and folding out the shit that someone so aggressive will give me value with. So in some cases its good to "narrow his range" cause you have a ton of fold equity where he is going to be folding a high percentage of the time, but when he is raising utg his range is already pretty narrow and if i raise he is still continuing a lot and only with the shit that beats me...ya dig?

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

ok here is the thing i want him to be 2 barrelling more of his crap, and he may be thats why i called the bet, but the second i narrow his range i am not getting any more value from his shit hands like TT, and overcards, i am only getting called by better and folding out the shit that someone so aggressive will give me value with. So in some cases its good to "narrow his range" cause you have a ton of fold equity where he is going to be folding a high percentage of the time, but when he is raising utg his range is already pretty narrow and if i raise he is still continuing a lot and only with the shit that beats me...ya dig?

I dig.thanks for the lesson.I do have an argument for villain calling w/his spade draws but thats prolly taking this one to far.

Originally Posted by supahaole

I dig.thanks for the lesson.I do have an argument for villain calling w/his spade draws but thats prolly taking this one to far.

in a range of AQ+ and 77+ there are only 2 spade draws ak and aq of spades