[2NL] 56s in BB, 3-way pot. Action flop

^^ if you need more arguments to convince you, why don't you make a filter in PT3 for all the SC's you played OOP in raised pots to see if you are showing a profit?

Originally Posted by rpm

you realise that this is saying "i want to make less money/progress than i could", don't you?

also, your comparison of making $2 mistakes to $1000000 mistakes doesn't really hold, because they are just BB's in a bankroll, you should care as much about losing 100bb at 2nl as you should at 10knl imo (obviously easier said than done but that's the goal)

furthermore, your "learning how to play certain hands" logic is kind of bogus too imo. sure, you should always play the most hand combinations you can possibly play with a positive expectation. but it has been shown to you in this thread that calling preflop here does not have a positive expectation. so you should fold and learn to play 65s in a spot where it is actually possible for it to be a winning investment. extrapolating from your "i should learn how to play this hand now while at 2nl even if i'm shown it's -EV" statement, why don't you just call 100% of your range here and learn how to play every single hand on the matrix? i mean, if it doesn't matter to you whether the hands in your range have a positive or negative EV, fuck it, might as well get some experience playing 92o in these spots while you're at 2nl, right?

Because that would be dumb. 56s is a playable hand, 92o isn't.

Originally Posted by daviddem

^^ if you need more arguments to convince you, why don't you make a filter in PT3 for all the SC's you played OOP in raised pots to see if you are showing a profit?

What range of SC's should I use? Right up to AKs might sway things a little. A2s-T9s?

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Because that would be dumb. 56s is a playable hand, 92o isn't.

both hands are playable in certain situations. i min-open 92o on the BU when it's folded to me and i have two mass-tabling nit regs who both fold their blinds 90% of the time and never adjust. however, i never defend it from the BB vs an open and an SB flat-call in a CAP game. because in the first case the hand is profitable and in the second one it is not.

the same can be said for 65s. i flat it from the BB when UTG min-opens and every single player (all with 100bb) on my FR table flat-calls before me. however, i don't defend it on the BB when MP opens for 4x, BU cold-calls, and our effective stacks are <100bb. because it's profitable in the first situation and not in the second.

that's the point everyone is trying to make to you. certain hands are profitable to play in some situations and not in others. in any situation you want to play as many hands as you can do for a profit and fold those which you cannot play profitably. icanhastreebet has gone out of his way to tell you that calling 65s here is -EV and given you good reasons why this is the case (which not many people would be willing to do, i might add). if you insist on making -EV plays for the sake of learning, where do you draw the line? if you are happy to consciously make a -EV play here with 65s, then i can only assume that EV-maximisation isn't your highest concern at the tables, so you might as well play every single hand, right?

or if, conversely, you are trying to argue that 65s is a profitable call here despite the information given to you by far more experienced and talented players, then why did you make a thread? and why do you use the strategy forums?

i hope this doesn't come across as personal criticism. this post was genuinely intended to be helpful for you. for your poker game, and for your forum-use-strategy (that's right, you can lose/gain real-world poker EV in your social decisions on an internet forum)

edited to tailor the "hypothetical" situations more to cobra's HH in this thread

Cobra_1878

some great value ITT.