[2NL] 56s in BB, 3-way pot. Action flop

I'm confused. How is he supposed to get better at playing 56s in the blinds without playing them?

Originally Posted by Deucebag

I'm confused. How is he supposed to get better at playing 56s in the blinds without playing them?

It's the type of hand you don't add to your game until you can play standard spots well. Then you add higher and lower SC's first imo.

Things like 23s 34s have the Ace work in their favour, whereas 56s is just a bit awkward.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

It's the type of hand you don't add to your game until you can play standard spots well. Then you add higher and lower SC's first imo.

Things like 23s 34s have the Ace work in their favour, whereas 56s is just a bit awkward.

No you just don't play 56s for 4x period for these stack depths especially without antes. The reason you see people playing this shit on high stakes poker or w/e is because they have MASSIVELY 500+ bb stacks and antes.

23s and 34s are complete garbage because they make less straights then middling SCs but you are right(I think this is what you meant) in that when you bink a straight there will be an A on board. This adds value but not more then the value we lose +the fact we end up on the crap end of the straight etc.

I don't understand this huge misconception you guys have that when something is suited and connected it makes it good.

Small suited connectors in NLHE >> Small suited connectors in LHE but that doesn't mean they are automatically playable in horrible situations for terrible prices. The only way I would be playing 56s or w/e from these positions and a slightly better price was as a very occasional bluff for balance purposes and never at these stakes.

Also you guys need to be dropping the absolute most marginal of calling spots in micros because of the rake. I don't know if anyone realizes it but all this marginal crap you like to play that is probably +eV if you play decently and actually think is actually -eV because the rake fucking kills you. At 2NL-100NL the top 50winners at every stake are paying AT LEAST their winrate in rake. That's cold blooded murder. It's worst the lower you go obviously. This was of course the TOP 50 winners, let alone if you suck.

From the hands I've seen if cobra looks at this thread again his absolute biggest leak is playing way too much marginal(-eV in these cases) shit out of position. I can make this guess a lot of you guys are doing the same from the past 2 posts I've read.

I know this was rambly but I hope it helps someone.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

No you just don't play 56s for 4x period for these stack depths especially without antes. The reason you see people playing this shit on high stakes poker or w/e is because they have MASSIVELY 500+ bb stacks and antes.

23s and 34s are complete garbage because they make less straights then middling SCs but you are right(I think this is what you meant) in that when you bink a straight there will be an A on board. This adds value but not more then the value we lose +the fact we end up on the crap end of the straight etc.

I don't understand this huge misconception you guys have that when something is suited and connected it makes it good. I think it just makes hands more playable and adds a little balance to your play. Also, I would much rather learn, and make mistakes, at 2NL than wait to learn how to play the hands at 5/10NL

Small suited connectors in NLHE >> Small suited connectors in LHE but that doesn't mean they are automatically playable in horrible situations for terrible prices. The only way I would be playing 56s or w/e from these positions and a slightly better price was as a very occasional bluff for balance purposes and never at these stakes.

Also you guys need to be dropping the absolute most marginal of calling spots in micros because of the rake. I don't know if anyone realizes it but all this marginal crap you like to play that is probably +eV if you play decently and actually think is actually -eV because the rake fucking kills you. At 2NL-100NL the top 50winners at every stake are paying AT LEAST their winrate in rake. That's cold blooded murder. It's worst the lower you go obviously. This was of course the TOP 50 winners, let alone if you suck. I didn't realize the rake was so bad but there is nothing we can do about that. Again, I use the same point of learning to play these hands now, rather than lose a lot more money learning at higher stakes.

From the hands I've seen if cobra looks at this thread again his absolute biggest leak is playing way too much marginal(-eV in these cases) shit out of position. I can make this guess a lot of you guys are doing the same from the past 2 posts I've read.

I know this was rambly but I hope it helps someone.

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Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

No you just don't play 56s for 4x period for these stack depths especially without antes. The reason you see people playing this shit on high stakes poker or w/e is because they have MASSIVELY 500+ bb stacks and antes.

23s and 34s are complete garbage because they make less straights then middling SCs but you are right(I think this is what you meant) in that when you bink a straight there will be an A on board. This adds value but not more then the value we lose +the fact we end up on the crap end of the straight etc.

I don't understand this huge misconception you guys have that when something is suited and connected it makes it good.

Why have you assumed that I meant you add them to your game in a situation which you then go on to define which I never said?

Adding something to your game would still be massively situational as everything in poker is. I wasn't trying to imply if you are good you can play any hand whenever you want.

I actually agree with what you said completely about doing things which are very slightly +ev as they can get you in trouble, whereas when I first started playing I played a very tag game in FR and won at a decent rate even though I was awful (still am) because people around me were doing horrendous stuff.

Cheers for the post still though, took some information from it.

You're learning the wrong thing at the wrong time, Cobra.

Your goal is to make excellent poker choices every time you think about poker. That means learning to exploit and crush the game you are playing.

What you're trying to do would not be done by most high stakes players because

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

The reason you see people playing this shit on high stakes poker or w/e is because they have
MASSIVELY 500+ bb stacks and antes.

Given you had no reads, 3rd hand of the session,

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

playing 56s for 4x w/ 100bb stacks is massively -eV. The end.